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The happy policy - page 5

There's apparently a policy in our workplace, a new one that says something along the line of; Anyone who appears drained, unenthusiastic, unhappy in anyway etc. can be asked by the manager to leave... Read More

  1. Visit  orthonurse55 profile page
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    Hi, I'm Mary Poppins and I will be your nurse today!
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  2. Visit  linearthinker profile page
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    I agree with Mi Vida Loca.

    The Disney model works well, there is no denying it, and it can't hurt to try. I support the policy.
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  3. Visit  ~Mi Vida Loca~RN profile page
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    Quote from GetBehindtheBarn
    I don't know...

    I have worked a few places - nursing or in other fields - that I wish this policy had been in force. Sometimes working with the Eeyore-type people (and you know they are out there... nothing in this world will make them grin, stop huffing and puffing, pick up the pace, stop the endless complaining, etc.) is more tough than dealing with the increased work load that their absence brings.

    I am no Mary Poppins, and yes, there are nights when I would rather be anywhere other than work. But, it is a necessary "evil" that allows me such luxuries as a roof over my family's heads and food on the table. Externally displaying my poor mood does no one - especially myself - and favors.

    c'mon guys... put on a happy face!

    Exactly. You can be happy without being fake or over killing it. I think a lot of it just goes with how some people are period. I would be willing to be that a good majority of those Eeyore-type people you see at work at much the same outside of work. They are just those negative people that the glass is always half empty and woa is them and everything bad always happens to them etc. etc. They are toxic and they suck the life out of people. They can really bring down a unit because it's so hard to not have it start spilling over. Then when they sit around complaining other people start joining in that otherwise might not.

    It's kinda like when you have a nurse that does nothing but complain about a patient to everyone around them and to the on coming nurse. Sure some patients are pains, but when a nurse is told nothing but negative things about the patient it might alter their care a little because they are going to already go in with a bad perception about the patient and will look for anything bad.


    A policy like this would be hard to enforce because of the subjectivity, but I would venture to guess the creator of the policy was thinking more along the lines of these people we are talking about.

    The concept in my opinion is a good one. It's the execution and the subjectivity that would get sticky. A lot of these toxic people have no idea how toxic they are.

    I am a happy person generally. I am not fake and I have tried to be fake and it doesn't work well. I wear my emotions pretty well. I do go into a funk now and again but overall I try to be a positive and happy person and I am someone that has gone through a lot of bad stuff. I don't use it as an excuse.

    One of the biggest things I have gotten back in feedback is that people enjoy being around me because I am a happy and positive person and I like to have fun. Just like negative people can suck the life out of people, positive people can lighten the mood and turn someones bad night around if even just for the shift.

    To many people want to think in extremes. Someone says they want to see people more happy and stuff and all of a sudden it's taken to mean that we have to jump and sing and have a fake smile on our face and so on. That's not the case.
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  4. Visit  xtxrn profile page
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    Yeah- I agree, nobody wants to work with serial buzzkills....but at the same time, nobody can really say if someone is happy or not. Maybe they're thinking about something that requires a lot of attention, and not skipping down the halls pulling daisy petals off a nice perky daisy Or, maybe they're going through a lot and might not be a candidate for "Most Likely to Glow"- but they're not notably negative, unkind, or nasty.....

    IDK. When someone is being told how to "act", or be sent home, what's next? If it's someone who IS a serial buzzkill, then maybe they need some EAP time. If that doesn't work, I don't know what would be next.

    I can handle a nurse who is not smiling from ear to ear- but knows what she's doing a LOT better than I can handle some cheesy faced nitwit who can't find her way out of an airplane hanger.

    Yes. Attitude is important...but maybe take care of things on an individual basis- OR, if it's really that big of a problem, get rid of the HR person who keeps letting the losers in the door to begin with ?????
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  5. Visit  ~Mi Vida Loca~RN profile page
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    Quote from xtxrn
    Yeah- I agree, nobody wants to work with serial buzzkills....but at the same time, nobody can really say if someone is happy or not. Maybe they're thinking about something that requires a lot of attention, and not skipping down the halls pulling daisy petals off a nice perky daisy Or, maybe they're going through a lot and might not be a candidate for "Most Likely to Glow"- but they're not notably negative, unkind, or nasty.....

    IDK. When someone is being told how to "act", or be sent home, what's next? If it's someone who IS a serial buzzkill, then maybe they need some EAP time. If that doesn't work, I don't know what would be next.

    I can handle a nurse who is not smiling from ear to ear- but knows what she's doing a LOT better than I can handle some cheesy faced nitwit who can't find her way out of an airplane hanger.

    Yes. Attitude is important...but maybe take care of things on an individual basis- OR, if it's really that big of a problem, get rid of the HR person who keeps letting the losers in the door to begin with ?????
    Yes, things should be handled on an individual basis because sometimes things do come up. But you can usually see a pattern in certain types of people and in a job like ours a persons overall attitude is a big factor. If you work in a cubicle not having to deal with people at all then maybe it's not a big deal. But we have to interact with many people on a day to day basis and you need to have a good and positive attitude most of the time. IMO. Things do happen in life though and you might be going through a lot, but if it some times passes and you still can't separate your home life from your work life then it's time to get yourself some help to better cope.

    Like I said, I understand people can't always be in a good mood and I would never expect people to walk around with a fake smile and dancing and cheering and so on. A persons attitude will reflect regardless of a smile. You don't have to have a ear to ear grin to radiate positive energy.

    This thread just goes into extremes and glosses over what was probably the main intention or point of the policy because people take it to such extremes in their responses.

    Anyway, I think it's worth looking into what the main issue is and that would be the perpetually nasty negative people that bring down a unit.
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    I'd love to believe that folks in this thread are just overreacting to a possibly reasonable policy. Unfortunately, there are enough Looney Tunes corporate mandates out there that it can't be assumed.

    This may be the logical follow-up to, "The beatings will continue until morale improves!"--the Management.
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  7. Visit  xtxrn profile page
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    Quote from ~Mi Vida Loca~RN
    Yes, things should be handled on an individual basis because sometimes things do come up. But you can usually see a pattern in certain types of people and in a job like ours a persons overall attitude is a big factor. If you work in a cubicle not having to deal with people at all then maybe it's not a big deal. But we have to interact with many people on a day to day basis and you need to have a good and positive attitude most of the time. IMO. Things do happen in life though and you might be going through a lot, but if it some times passes and you still can't separate your home life from your work life then it's time to get yourself some help to better cope.

    Like I said, I understand people can't always be in a good mood and I would never expect people to walk around with a fake smile and dancing and cheering and so on. A persons attitude will reflect regardless of a smile. You don't have to have a ear to ear grin to radiate positive energy.

    This thread just goes into extremes and glosses over what was probably the main intention or point of the policy because people take it to such extremes in their responses.

    Anyway, I think it's worth looking into what the main issue is and that would be the perpetually nasty negative people that bring down a unit.
    This whole thread has reminded me of a policy at one of the last hospitals I worked at re: piercings and tattoos. I don't particularly like tattoos, or "non-ear" piercings- HOWEVER.... the policy went nuts. (and they were serious about everybody). I'd rather have someone with holes all over their being, and so full of ink they don't bleed anymore IF they are smarter and have more common sense than the non-inked, hole-less nurses they wanted. It was all based on how someone looked. Nothing more. They said the older patients preferred it.... REALLY? The retired folks NOW were bouncing around Woodstock in tie-dye and no bras....a tattoo was gonna impair their healing? The flower children shriveled their roots?

    If the hospital was SO intent on only having people with "empty" skin (pierced stud earrings were ok)- they shouldn't have hired them. Simple solution, and didn't pit staff against who supported who, etc.

    Yeah- the duds are lousy to work with. I just was glad they didn't come home with me, and I didn't live in their world. But mandating mood is a bit silly- and impossible. Fakes = lie in my book.....can't trust 'em. At least with the duds not being fake, you know what you get.... or figure out some way to get rid of them that's legit. Don't shoot the whole crowd, and see who's left standing

    I hate punitive stuff passed out to the whole staff. Deal with the individual duds, and leave the rest out of it. If a bunch of strangers are getting 'intense' about this think about how it's going to be at work for the OP with her co-workers. Glad I'm not there....

    I used to have a ball at work (and when I stopped having a decent time - didn't have to be a big picnic- but at least socially pleasant and worth more than the headaches it caused) I went elsewhere. I was lucky. Most of the places I worked were "perky" enough to drive the duds nuts, so they just left.... The duds couldn't stand it. They couldn't wait to quit. And we were happy they felt that way- more merriment was had by all (but one).

    JMO
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    Quote from xtxrn
    This whole thread has reminded me of a policy at one of the last hospitals I worked at re: piercings and tattoos. I don't particularly like tattoos, or "non-ear" piercings- HOWEVER.... the policy went nuts. (and they were serious about everybody). I'd rather have someone with holes all over their being, and so full of ink they don't bleed anymore IF they are smarter and have more common sense than the non-inked, hole-less nurses they wanted. It was all based on how someone looked. Nothing more. They said the older patients preferred it.... REALLY? The retired folks NOW were bouncing around Woodstock in tie-dye and no bras....a tattoo was gonna impair their healing? The flower children shriveled their roots?

    If the hospital was SO intent on only having people with "empty" skin (pierced stud earrings were ok)- they shouldn't have hired them. Simple solution, and didn't pit staff against who supported who, etc.

    Yeah- the duds are lousy to work with. I just was glad they didn't come home with me, and I didn't live in their world. But mandating mood is a bit silly- and impossible. Fakes = lie in my book.....can't trust 'em. At least with the duds not being fake, you know what you get.... or figure out some way to get rid of them that's legit. Don't shoot the whole crowd, and see who's left standing

    I hate punitive stuff passed out to the whole staff. Deal with the individual duds, and leave the rest out of it. If a bunch of strangers are getting 'intense' about this think about how it's going to be at work for the OP with her co-workers. Glad I'm not there....

    I used to have a ball at work (and when I stopped having a decent time - didn't have to be a big picnic- but at least socially pleasant and worth more than the headaches it caused) I went elsewhere. I was lucky. Most of the places I worked were "perky" enough to drive the duds nuts, so they just left.... The duds couldn't stand it. They couldn't wait to quit. And we were happy they felt that way- more merriment was had by all (but one).

    JMO

    That would be my mentality too. When I stop having fun at work or even a pleasant experience and it starts to be more bad days then good, then it's time to move on.

    I do agree that a general policy wouldn't be fitting in something like this. But I also think that something needs to start being done regarding these particular people I have talked about because of how toxic it can be for a whole unit. People need to start being accountable for their behavior. (again, talking about the chronic people, not the once in a while bad day).

    I am very happy with majority of the co-workers I have. But there is one that is an extremely manipulative person and being new I have been able to sit back and see her in action. I have had to spend a lot of time with her. She is a very toxic person in a different way then doom and gloom, but a lot of people don't even see it because she is so manipulative and they don't see how she is playing everyone. Very much like those borderline personality patients. But I can honestly say I have never had a job I didn't have fun at. The job itself might not have been great or might have been mundane. But I always had fun with a group of co-workers that made me enjoy going to work. I feel like now I have great co-workers (except for the one) and a job I actually enjoy. So most times I don't mind going to work. The only time I dread it is when I know I am working with the one person. If anything sometimes I am just tired so wouldn't mind a day off but other then that, I love what I do. I have always been a glass half full type of person though besides my rare little funks I get in when I need a day to feel sorry for myself. LOL I try to make the best out of any situation so when I am faced with one of these people it makes it especially hard because I don't like being surrounded by the negativity.
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    Quote from ~mi vida loca~rn
    that would be my mentality too. when i stop having fun at work or even a pleasant experience and it starts to be more bad days then good, then it's time to move on.

    i do agree that a general policy wouldn't be fitting in something like this. but i also think that something needs to start being done regarding these particular people i have talked about because of how toxic it can be for a whole unit. people need to start being accountable for their behavior. (again, talking about the chronic people, not the once in a while bad day).

    i am very happy with majority of the co-workers i have. but there is one that is an extremely manipulative person and being new i have been able to sit back and see her in action. i have had to spend a lot of time with her. she is a very toxic person in a different way then doom and gloom, but a lot of people don't even see it because she is so manipulative and they don't see how she is playing everyone. very much like those borderline personality patients. but i can honestly say i have never had a job i didn't have fun at. the job itself might not have been great or might have been mundane. but i always had fun with a group of co-workers that made me enjoy going to work. i feel like now i have great co-workers (except for the one) and a job i actually enjoy. so most times i don't mind going to work. the only time i dread it is when i know i am working with the one person. if anything sometimes i am just tired so wouldn't mind a day off but other then that, i love what i do. i have always been a glass half full type of person though besides my rare little funks i get in when i need a day to feel sorry for myself. lol i try to make the best out of any situation so when i am faced with one of these people it makes it especially hard because i don't like being surrounded by the negativity.
    oy. that is about the lousiest to have to sort through.

    good luck with that one- at least you see it, and knowledge is power, especially when dealing with humans
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    Quote from linearthinker
    I agree with Mi Vida Loca.

    The Disney model works well, there is no denying it, and it can't hurt to try. I support the policy.
    But what if your manager catches the look on your face just as you notice a chunk of gum stuck to your shoe?

    Genuinely negative people drain the energy out of the room very quickly. If you take yourself too seriously -- get away!! That isn't normally broadcast only by facial expression though. You can be happy without smiling. Whenever this issue comes up I give it the Fern Test. A supervisor from c. 1978 - the last of the gruff but kind-hearted battle-axe type, and her name really was Fern. Loved her to pieces after I got done being terrified of her. If I think she would be humiliated by a one size fits all mandate I don't care how much buzz was created by the last focus group.

    To continue the Disney theme .. I wonder what people would think if for just one day everyone starting their shift gathered together and formed a line singing Whistle While You Work as they trudge down the hall?

    I dislike fake and saccarine but random and bizarre always make me smile without even trying.
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    Quote from nursel56
    But what if your manager catches the look on your face just as you notice a chunk of gum stuck to your shoe?

    Genuinely negative people drain the energy out of the room very quickly. If you take yourself too seriously -- get away!! That isn't normally broadcast only by facial expression though. You can be happy without smiling. Whenever this issue comes up I give it the Fern Test. A supervisor from c. 1978 - the last of the gruff but kind-hearted battle-axe type, and her name really was Fern. Loved her to pieces after I got done being terrified of her. If I think she would be humiliated by a one size fits all mandate I don't care how much buzz was created by the last focus group.

    To continue the Disney theme .. I wonder what people would think if for just one day everyone starting their shift gathered together and formed a line singing Whistle While You Work as they trudge down the hall?

    I dislike fake and saccarine but random and bizarre always make me smile without even trying.
    Don't you miss the old battle weary nurses, who knew every square inch of the hospital, had been there when the oldest MD was a med student, and knew what it was to wash bedpans in the hopper room? THEY were respectable- and initially terrifying- but they always had your back. No young-un eating with those sorts


    Maybe some Snow White outfits, with the dwarves filing in behind
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  12. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    When she retired she walked around the building dropping off the personalized pencils she got for everybody - saying something like "Best Wishes. Fern." It was really sweet. I never used mine. I'm a sucker for sentimental stuff like that.

    Hey if we do the Seven Dwarves Grumpy will just blend in with the crowd!!
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    All kidding aside, I do think some people have rather toxic attitudes.

    However, threatening people to be enthusiastic is a bit ironic, isn't it?

    Perhaps administration should look into *why* employees are tired or unhappy and fix those problems rather than have everyone act a certain way.

    But if that happened, I truly would work in a Magic Kingdom!

    PS - going to DisneyWorld for the first time next month and this thread is actually getting me excited, haha.
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