Lazy, demanding staff - page 6

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  1. by   zuchRN
    I hear you Chained. I just started at my facility about 6 months ago. It is tough going. No matter what I do, there are those people who say, "she can just get on the floor and do it herself." Or you have those who ask for help....CONTINUALLY. or you have those nurses who just don't care.
    I never get a thank. I do not expect them. What I do not expect is to work the floor, do the DON position and then still have those nurses who say that it is not enough. What is enough? I work uncovered shifts, I answer call lights, I round with the Physician, I deal with the difficult families. I do these things so the nurses won't have to.
    When I hear other nurses talk about what bad managers there are and blame management for everything, it makes me angry. There is some very poor management, just as there are very poor nurses. @What ever happened to everyone being on the same team and working together. To the antimanagement people, I ask, what are you doing to help to make the situation better? Or are you just complaining to hear yourself talk?
  2. by   mattsmom81
    I believe many managers go into their jobs with the goal of making things better. I understand the pressure to conform to 'bottom line' financial and upper level politics is overwhelming.

    Tried management once and the sharks just get bigger and meaner up there so I stay down with the smaller ones.
  3. by   KC CHICK
    Most of the staff I work with do an EXCELLENT job. There are a few bad apples, RN's and Aides alike, that seem to do everything in their power to get out of work. Irritates the heck out of me!
  4. by   Stargazer
    Mattsmom hit it on the head.

    Some of us consider it a challenge to learn to beat the bigger sharks at their own game to get the staff what they need.
  5. by   baseline
    Middle management is NOT for the weak or wimpy! the vise tightens ever tighter from staff and administration. Atlas himself would have trouble !
  6. by   l.rae
    Originally posted by zuchRN
    I hear you Chained. I just started at my facility about 6 months ago. It is tough going. No matter what I do, there are those people who say, "she can just get on the floor and do it herself." Or you have those who ask for help....CONTINUALLY. or you have those nurses who just don't care.
    I never get a thank. I do not expect them. What I do not expect is to work the floor, do the DON position and then still have those nurses who say that it is not enough. What is enough? I work uncovered shifts, I answer call lights, I round with the Physician, I deal with the difficult families. I do these things so the nurses won't have to.
    When I hear other nurses talk about what bad managers there are and blame management for everything, it makes me angry. There is some very poor management, just as there are very poor nurses. @What ever happened to everyone being on the same team and working together. To the antimanagement people, I ask, what are you doing to help to make the situation better? Or are you just complaining to hear yourself talk?
    How convient to pass the buck....you already admit you can't handle your own staff, and those of us who point that out are anti- management???...l don't think so....we are ANTI-POOR-MANAGEMENT...ie:those who pass the buck, drive their hard working staff harder instead of addressing the lazy...want more for less.... if you will chek my earlier post you will notice l compliment my NM......what have l done about poor management in the past???....l moved on and left my NM with one less dedicated hard working nurse......and if l recall correctly....this thread is addressed to lazy nurses.....not lazy management....so who's complaining?.....just stating facts........LR
  7. by   ShelleyERgirl
    Originally posted by JMP
    Recently I came across a problem in this field.

    Another RN who was not "doing" the job. I work in ICU and patients can not sit up and say, "hey, no one bathed me, no one has turned me". You see what I am getting at. The bare minimums NOT being done. This action, by this RN, puts into questions EVERYTHING. Is this RN giving meds? Is this RN doing treatments? You see what I am saying here???

    Others have also noted this lack of minimum care. But I was the one who talked to the RN. I told this person I knew that things where being charted that HAD NOT been done. I am giving them THIS chance to change. HOWEVER, if this person continues, my nurse manager is my next stop.

    I have NO IDEA in the world why this person is not doing the job. Because they are quite capable of doing the job.....IF THEY actually do it. Much of this RN's time is spent chatting, on the computer, on the phone....... and it is the patient who suffers.

    I think work ethic plays a role here, obviously. This person, when confronted did not say much. They mostly changed the subject and I found myself bringing them back to the subject at hand more than once.

    It is problem. I will not ignore it. I have to be the patient's advocate....no matter what.


    How in the hell is this nurse assigned to a unit like the ICU? Thank God there is someone like you that is there to protect the patient. You should report her to your nurse manager. What a loser! Good luck
  8. by   zuchRN
    l.rae: at no point did I say I cannot handle my staff. It is not about "handling " staff. It is about working together to create a better outcome. I only want the best for the residents. That is why I audit the charts, check treatments and educate. I do not dump more on the good nurses and let the weAk nurses off. I do not generalize.
    The on;y time I post reminders or have a special in-service is when I find a problem to be widespread. The remainder of the time, I address the problem itself, or the problemed individual.
    I cannot tell from your post if you are classifying me as poor management or not; however, I can tell you that you cannot judge someone whom you do not work with, and you most definately cannot generalize.
    Like I stated before, there are good managers and poor managers. There are good nurses and poor nurses. It is a very individualized thing.
    I would also like to know exactly where the buck was passed?
  9. by   l.rae
    Originally posted by zuchRN
    I To the antimanagement people, I ask, what are you doing to help to make the situation better? Or are you just complaining to hear yourself talk?
    IMO....you are assuming all those who complain are antimngmt........that is what l call passing the buck...l can't tell from your post if you are calling ME antimngmt for expressing VALID complaints about bad mangmt.....big difference here...so LISTEN...not ALL mngmt......whenever ppl express valid complaints and concerns and mngmnt turns it around to make them feel as though they are doing something wrong by expressing these concerns....then l feel it is because that particular manager is too lazy/ineffective to deal with it.....you ask...do we complain just to hear ourselves talk???...well it feels that way sometimes when it falls on the ears of ineffective mngmnt......l am just judging by your responses and others.....you right, l don't know you....maybe you are crackerjack nurse and manager......you are right...l don't know....just reading between the lines.
  10. by   ChainedChaosRN
    I guess I'm still wondering how a lazy nurse is the result of bad management? No one has yet answered that one.
  11. by   Spidey's mom
    . . . . maybe because the lazy nurse wasn't counseled by management to change, was given some help to change and then was NOT fired when she did not change.

    The lazy nurse is ultimately responsible for her own behavior . . . .however bad management never does anything about it.

    just a thought . . .
  12. by   caroladybelle
    Originally posted by stevielynn
    . . . . maybe because the lazy nurse wasn't counseled by management to change, was given some help to change and then was NOT fired when she did not change.

    The lazy nurse is ultimately responsible for her own behavior . . . .however bad management never does anything about it.

    just a thought . . .
    In addition:

    Good managers have would have no shortage of good nurses, if pay, supplies and conditions are adequate - if these conditions are poor - management has more control over them than staff nurses do.

    As a travelor, I have taken jobs that I normally would have avoided, because the manager made the situation tolerable. I have renewed contracts because the manager wonderful. And I have had them not renewed because said wonderful manager had a enough hires to staff without travelors. And that's cool.

    I have also left really good hospitals or turned down assignments because of lousy management.

    If the MDs treat you like crap, supply staff are lacking and pharmacy abusive, it is a reflection of how management feels about its' nursing staff. A good manager will insure that his/her staff is treated well - or at least humanely. A poor manager doesn't give a flip.

    And a good manager will have all the staff that s/he can handle from those of us that have been burned by poor management.
  13. by   kids
    Originally posted by baseline
    Middle management is NOT for the weak or wimpy! the vise tightens ever tighter from staff and administration. Atlas himself would have trouble !
    Thank you, that is very nicely put.

    Middle managers hear the most complaints coming "up from below" but have the weakest voice when passing those complaints up the food chain. Most middle managers go to work every day assuming it will be their last, why? because they are the first throat cut when there is even the slightest ripple of "disharmony" among upper managers/admin. It sucks big time to not be able to change things for the people who are actually taking care of the patients day in and day out and it sucks even more when you have to tell those people "I know what you are talking about and I know how you feel but I have tried and tried but there is NOTHING I can do about it".

    Originally posted by caroladybelle
    ...Good managers would have no shortage of good nurses, if pay, supplies and conditions are adequate - if these conditions are poor - management has more control over them than staff nurses do...
    Another good point but I have to ask...how much control do you (not you directly caroladybelle...the 'collective' you) think that you unit manager has over these sort of things? In EVERY unit mgr position I have held (3) I had no control over it...yes, I could ask, requsition and even beg but in the end the decisions came from up above. Even something such as firing someone for doing a half-azzed job had to have admin approval (the warm body effect)...crud, for that matter I had to get admin approval to suspend someone who I felt was truely a HAZARD (they wouldn't let me, I left the job...saw about a year later she had lost her license due to gross negligence). I don't just think it was me, I have nursing friends and family who are even now in the same situations.
    I think *we* as a group need to identify at what level management is being "bad"...many "bad" unit managers may be doing everything in their power to effect change but their hands are tied from above BUT they possess to much professionalism to point the finger upward for all the staff to see so they go on taking the heat and bust their rears (and their hearts sometimes) to make the best of a bad situation because they do care about the patients and the staff.
    Last edit by kids on Mar 8, '03

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