Today's Dr. Phil shocker: Nursing home abuse - page 4

by GLORIAmunchkin72

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Or more specifically elder abuse. A woman states this particular nursing home has been abusing her mother for 2 years. Would you wait that long to remove your mother if you believed she was? Something not quite right here.... Read More


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    The video of this is here:



    http://drphil.com/shows/show/1949/#

    This is disturbing. There are many injuries and cuts (one going across the entire arm and deep), and an unbelievable amount of bruises everywhere.
    Clearly this is abuse. If a person talks to the elderly, they will find these cases everywhere, unfortunately.

    These abuses are one reason why I will never put my elderly family members in a nursing home/LTC. I will have them stay at an independent home for as long as they can and hire personal caregivers. If it costs me $18,000 a year, so what?

    I feel sorry for the people who do not have the money to do this and have to send them to publicly funded nursing homes/LTCs. There are in-home services for the poor (IHHS), but this is not enough. Nursing homes/LTCs should be replaced entirely by in-home health care. Everyone should be at home with a caregiver 1 on 1, in a comfortable environment, and a calm and sunny place to live (I noticed in the video it was extremely dark, as if there were no windows in the place and dreary). Medical equipment should be more moveable and affordable, so everyone has their own system and equipment at home.

    For now, I will never let a family member go to an LTC and advise everyone to do the same and hire 1 on 1 caregivers if they can.

    Quote from GLORIAmunchkin72
    Or more specifically elder abuse.
    A woman states this particular nursing home has been abusing her mother for 2 years. Would you wait that long to remove your mother if you believed she was?
    Something not quite right here.
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    Quote from InfirmiereJolie
    The video of this is here:



    Dr. Phil.com - Shows - Elder Abuse

    This is disturbing. There are many injuries and cuts (one going across the entire arm and deep), and an unbelievable amount of bruises everywhere.
    Clearly this is abuse. If a person talks to the elderly, they will find these cases everywhere, unfortunately.

    These abuses are one reason why I will never put my elderly family members in a nursing home/LTC. I will have them stay at an independent home for as long as they can and hire personal caregivers. If it costs me $18,000 a year, so what?

    I feel sorry for the people who do not have the money to do this and have to send them to publicly funded nursing homes/LTCs. There are in-home services for the poor (IHHS), but this is not enough. Nursing homes/LTCs should be replaced entirely by in-home health care. Everyone should be at home with a caregiver 1 on 1, in a comfortable environment, and a calm and sunny place to live (I noticed in the video it was extremely dark, as if there were no windows in the place and dreary). Medical equipment should be more moveable and affordable, so everyone has their own system and equipment at home.

    For now, I will never let a family member go to an LTC and advise everyone to do the same and hire 1 on 1 caregivers if they can.
    Wow that post is mostly insulting. $18000 is not just a lot of money for the 'poor' but for most people. Some elderly thrive in in the LTC environment too or might be in a position where in-home health care is not an option due to the level of care required.

    Also, what medical equipment are you talking about? It's all very well being able to afford and buy medical equipment but there has to be a need or use for it and someone with the training and knowledge to use it.
    MMaeLPN, LTCangel, DizzyLizzyNurse, and 3 others like this.
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    I've worked in and have run several nursing homes. I would have my family member in any of them. I would stay in any of them. Home care is not always a viable option. Many residents are a two assist and very medically unstable. Family members or someone who'll be a 24 hour a day care giver for $18,000 a year can not possibly provide the care needed.
    MMaeLPN, prinsessa, LTCangel, and 5 others like this.
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    Quote from InfirmiereJolie
    The video of this is here:



    http://drphil.com/shows/show/1949/#

    This is disturbing. There are many injuries and cuts (one going across the entire arm and deep), and an unbelievable amount of bruises everywhere.
    Clearly this is abuse. If a person talks to the elderly, they will find these cases everywhere, unfortunately.

    These abuses are one reason why I will never put my elderly family members in a nursing home/LTC. I will have them stay at an independent home for as long as they can and hire personal caregivers. If it costs me $18,000 a year, so what?

    I feel sorry for the people who do not have the money to do this and have to send them to publicly funded nursing homes/LTCs. There are in-home services for the poor (IHHS), but this is not enough. Nursing homes/LTCs should be replaced entirely by in-home health care. Everyone should be at home with a caregiver 1 on 1, in a comfortable environment, and a calm and sunny place to live (I noticed in the video it was extremely dark, as if there were no windows in the place and dreary). Medical equipment should be more moveable and affordable, so everyone has their own system and equipment at home.

    For now, I will never let a family member go to an LTC and advise everyone to do the same and hire 1 on 1 caregivers if they can.
    You don't know what you don't know and you are making lots of assumptions on what you think you know!

    (Just erased a very long paragraph to keep myself out of trouble. Carry on)
    LTCangel, NutmeggeRN, RNnbakes, and 7 others like this.
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    I agree with CapeCod. I have many people who thrive in long term care with increased socialization, proper nutrition and bathing. Home care can be an option or some, but home care dollars are just as stretched as long term cares. They suffer the same pressures to have a healthy case load with nurses who may seem overloaded with start-of-cares and supervision visits. Quality long term care allows families to have peace. That daughter who was providing 24 hour care at home can now come in and visit as a daughter, not a care giver. Nurses who are in tune with the families can help alleviate the guilt and fear with a newly placed resident. There will always be "those families". I, thankfully, have encountered more families that I enjoy working with than the ones that make me cringe. (I just have to add that I want to throw my remote at the TV when those class action lawsuit commercials about elder abuse in nursing homes come on. And if Dr Phil was doing an interview with a daughter who was singing the praises of her mom's nursing home-no one would watch. Negativity and anger gets people talking)
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    Quote from InfirmiereJolie
    The video of this is here:



    http://drphil.com/shows/show/1949/#

    This is disturbing. There are many injuries and cuts (one going across the entire arm and deep), and an unbelievable amount of bruises everywhere.
    Clearly this is abuse. If a person talks to the elderly, they will find these cases everywhere, unfortunately.

    These abuses are one reason why I will never put my elderly family members in a nursing home/LTC. I will have them stay at an independent home for as long as they can and hire personal caregivers. If it costs me $18,000 a year, so what?

    I feel sorry for the people who do not have the money to do this and have to send them to publicly funded nursing homes/LTCs. There are in-home services for the poor (IHHS), but this is not enough. Nursing homes/LTCs should be replaced entirely by in-home health care. Everyone should be at home with a caregiver 1 on 1, in a comfortable environment, and a calm and sunny place to live (I noticed in the video it was extremely dark, as if there were no windows in the place and dreary). Medical equipment should be more moveable and affordable, so everyone has their own system and equipment at home.

    For now, I will never let a family member go to an LTC and advise everyone to do the same and hire 1 on 1 caregivers if they can.
    Wow....just wow!

    Yes, there are issue with a lot of LTC facilities. My experience in the ER, however, is that most residents we get from LTC are treated way better than those who are "full care" at home. Now this is a generalization and you might provide great care at home for you loved ones. However, there are a lot of people who don't provide very good care at all for their elderly relatives living at home. Try and keep that in mind before you insult an entire group of nursing professionals.
    MMaeLPN, LTCangel, kmarie724, and 3 others like this.
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    I watched Dr Phil, and beyond moving the woman to another nursing home I was wondering why the daughter didn't come in for her Mom's baths. That was what Mom found the most stressful, and when most of the bruising was happening.
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    Quote from InfirmiereJolie
    The video of this is here:



    http://drphil.com/shows/show/1949/#

    This is disturbing. There are many injuries and cuts (one going across the entire arm and deep), and an unbelievable amount of bruises everywhere.
    Clearly this is abuse. If a person talks to the elderly, they will find these cases everywhere, unfortunately.

    These abuses are one reason why I will never put my elderly family members in a nursing home/LTC. I will have them stay at an independent home for as long as they can and hire personal caregivers. If it costs me $18,000 a year, so what?

    I feel sorry for the people who do not have the money to do this and have to send them to publicly funded nursing homes/LTCs. There are in-home services for the poor (IHHS), but this is not enough. Nursing homes/LTCs should be replaced entirely by in-home health care. Everyone should be at home with a caregiver 1 on 1, in a comfortable environment, and a calm and sunny place to live (I noticed in the video it was extremely dark, as if there were no windows in the place and dreary). Medical equipment should be more moveable and affordable, so everyone has their own system and equipment at home.

    For now, I will never let a family member go to an LTC and advise everyone to do the same and hire 1 on 1 caregivers if they can.
    I suspect these comments come from someone who has not had to seriously consider placing a family member in LTC or else you wouldn't be so flippant about $18,000. I also suspect that you've never actually *done* home care or else you would realize that "home" isn't always "a comfortable environment, and a calm and sunny place to live" or uselessly stating that medical equipment should be moveable and affordable.

    Having actually done pediatric home health, I can assure you that many times "home" is often a matchbox sized apartment with several other people living in it, that may or may not be infested with bugs, smells, dirty dishes and laundry, etc.

    Honestly, even my families that literally did live in McMansions had problems operating Hoyer lifts, wheelchairs, walkers, handicap strollers, etc. within their homes -- hallways, bedrooms, bathrooms, and doorframes in even less-than-poor peoples' houses are not built for that sort of machinery.
    MMaeLPN, redhead_NURSE98!, LTCangel, and 8 others like this.
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    Folk who wear rose-colored glasses most freq know not of what they speak. Reality is very hard to view thru those glasses.

    Anyone who has tried to provide family high-level home care know the realities of time committment and financial burdens. And the toll on existing family dynamics is unbelievable!!!

    Abuses are also very, very much present in home care environments, probably more so than in institutions which are always under some agency's scrutiny. I briefly did home care - I have the horror stories to tell also.

    Regardless of the environment, experienced healthcare practitioners have seen abuses in all shapes & forms. Victims cross all age strata and SES levels. Abusers do too. So a LTC placement is no safer from abuse than a home setting. And to think one is better than the other is a big mistake.
    psu_213 and DizzyLizzyNurse like this.
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    Considering that a person is caring for another human being's welfare, $18,000 is not very much money, especially when it is a family member. I would pay $1,000,000 if I had that money even if it made me 100% broke.... (Which is more important a person or money?) Most nurses make $60,000 median, which is not exactly near the federal poverty level, but definitely middle-income...

    I have seen in-home caregiving and it is a wonderful environment. They get to be at home, where they want to be, and it is 1 on 1 care. Many caregivers at home would agree with me. The family can also be actively involved, knowing exactly what kind of care is given as they are the employers. I've seen medical equipment being used by knowledgable cargivers.
    Some people who work in-home care are retired RNs...

    Public funding should be going to in-home care and shifted away from institutions. The way we treat our elderly is dreadful. There can be socialization at home too, as they can be taken out into public or have friends visit. They should not be separated from well people simply due to them being sick. They should be in the communities with the rest of us, and not end their lives in a foreign place. Quality of life can be improved


    Quote from malestunurse
    Wow that post is mostly insulting. $18000 is not just a lot of money for the 'poor' but for most people. Some elderly thrive in in the LTC environment too or might be in a position where in-home health care is not an option due to the level of care required.

    Also, what medical equipment are you talking about? It's all very well being able to afford and buy medical equipment but there has to be a need or use for it and someone with the training and knowledge to use it.
    Quote from CapeCodMermaid
    I've worked in and have run several nursing homes. I would have my family member in any of them. I would stay in any of them. Home care is not always a viable option. Many residents are a two assist and very medically unstable. Family members or someone who'll be a 24 hour a day care giver for $18,000 a year can not possibly provide the care needed.
    Quote from savoytruffle
    I agree with CapeCod. I have many people who thrive in long term care with increased socialization, proper nutrition and bathing. Home care can be an option or some, but home care dollars are just as stretched as long term cares. They suffer the same pressures to have a healthy case load with nurses who may seem overloaded with start-of-cares and supervision visits. Quality long term care allows families to have peace. That daughter who was providing 24 hour care at home can now come in and visit as a daughter, not a care giver. Nurses who are in tune with the families can help alleviate the guilt and fear with a newly placed resident. There will always be "those families". I, thankfully, have encountered more families that I enjoy working with than the ones that make me cringe. (I just have to add that I want to throw my remote at the TV when those class action lawsuit commercials about elder abuse in nursing homes come on. And if Dr Phil was doing an interview with a daughter who was singing the praises of her mom's nursing home-no one would watch. Negativity and anger gets people talking)
    Quote from dirtyhippiegirl
    I suspect these comments come from someone who has not had to seriously consider placing a family member in LTC or else you wouldn't be so flippant about $18,000. I also suspect that you've never actually *done* home care or else you would realize that "home" isn't always "a comfortable environment, and a calm and sunny place to live" or uselessly stating that medical equipment should be moveable and affordable.

    Having actually done pediatric home health, I can assure you that many times "home" is often a matchbox sized apartment with several other people living in it, that may or may not be infested with bugs, smells, dirty dishes and laundry, etc.

    Honestly, even my families that literally did live in McMansions had problems operating Hoyer lifts, wheelchairs, walkers, handicap strollers, etc. within their homes -- hallways, bedrooms, bathrooms, and doorframes in even less-than-poor peoples' houses are not built for that sort of machinery.
    Quote from amoLucia
    Folk who wear rose-colored glasses most freq know not of what they speak. Reality is very hard to view thru those glasses.

    Anyone who has tried to provide family high-level home care know the realities of time committment and financial burdens. And the toll on existing family dynamics is unbelievable!!!

    Abuses are also very, very much present in home care environments, probably more so than in institutions which are always under some agency's scrutiny. I briefly did home care - I have the horror stories to tell also.

    Regardless of the environment, experienced healthcare practitioners have seen abuses in all shapes & forms. Victims cross all age strata and SES levels. Abusers do too. So a LTC placement is no safer from abuse than a home setting. And to think one is better than the other is a big mistake.
    Last edit by InfirmiereJolie on Jan 10, '13


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