The ridiculousness of LTC/SNF

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Oh where to begin. Anybody else running to save their sanity and nursing license or is it just me? I have been an RN since 2007 so I'm a very seasoned nurse. For the first 9 years of my career I worked strictly in hospitals. I worked on just about every unit imaginable with the exception of OB, peds, and NICU. Over the last 3 years I transitioned to LTC facilities thinking that having a routine and the same patients every shift would be less stressful. And initially it was. The first LTC I worked at I liked until a CNA who had no business becoming a CMA (she was a meth addict) was put through CMA school by this facility and became a CMA on my hall. Over a period of months myself and other nurses noticed that she was getting done with a med pass that took a seasoned nurse 2 hours to complete in 30 minutes. Especially as a brand new CMA, something was amiss.

Then residents who were alert and oriented were saying they weren't getting their pain medications. The CMA would always insist that the pain meds were given. Well one weekend when a nuse was working the med cart and was swapping out the sharps containers and noticed that it wasn't full of used needles, it was chock full of pills. We figured out how she was getting through the med pass so quickly, she was popping them and putting them in the sharps container, and she would pocket the narcotics. We notified the DON, but not a single thing was done. And she actually got smart and would give the very few residents who were alert and oriented all of their meds, but she continued to pop the meds of the residents with dementia but instead of putting them in the sharps container, she would throw them in the trash and then empty the trash well before shift change thinking nobody would notice, but we did notice and reported her to the DON, once again nothing was done.

One day one of my residents with a history of epilepsy had a grand Mal seizure in the dining hall. I notified the doctor, the doctor asked how much Dilantin he was on, so I told him, and the doctor stated "wow he is on the max dose of dilantin. Get a Stat dilantin level." Guess what his dilantin level was? Zero. He wasn't getting his dilantin (real shocker, nobody was getting their meds). I felt like my license was at risk and the DON refused to take action against the CMA so I resigned.

I got a job at another 172 bed LTC/SNF. They told me that the SNF portion is 20 beds, so they have 2 nurses on that hall, each nurse gets 10 skilled residents and then in addition you split a LTC hall and took 10 LTC residents. So essentially you have 20 residents which is not too bad for the 3-11 shift. In July this independently owned LTC/SNF was bought out by a large corporation who like all corporations are focused on the profits, we were told that we would be getting a lot more skilled residents and that they were actually turning one of the LTC halls into another SNF hall. They also told us we would be getting higher acuity residents with TPN, wound vacs, pressure ulcers, bipaps, etc. What they didn't tell us was that they were taking one of the nurses away. So now you have 1 nurse for 20 high acuity skilled patients and you also have 20 LTC residents. The nurse that was working day shift when they made the change said "this is not safe" and quit. They brought a nurse from one of the other LTC halls to work and she made it about 2 months and then quit. They asked me if I would go to 7-3 for a $5 an hour pay raise and like an idiot I agreed in September. And in came the higher acuity patients which 90% of them I can tell you belong at an LTACH not a SNF.

Here comes the good part. We work 8 hour shifts. On Monday the NP comes and you have to round with her on EVERY skilled resident and give her a rundown. That alone knocks an hour off your shift. If she gives you 75 orders, you have to put the orders in the computer and fax them to pharmacy, etc. Kiss another hour off your shift. Then you have to go to standup, and seeing as there are 172 residents in the building and every resident has to be reported on, that knocks another hour off your shift.

So you get to start off the work week trying to do the job of 2 nurses and 12 hours worth of work in 5 hours.

20 skilled residents means 20 complete sets of vital signs, 20 had to toe assessments which you have to document in the computer, 10 residents with fsbs who get ss insulin, we have a wound care nurse but she doesn't do any of the wound care she just rounds with the wound care doctors once a week on Wednesdays and they rip off everybody's dressing and take measurements (but don't replace the dressing). In fact you don't even know that the dressing is off until PT or OT says "Hey we just came to get Ms.Jones for therapy but her dressing was removed and she's lying on her side." You walk into the room and sure enough there the resident is with their a** in the air but because PT has a schedule too, you have to drop what you'really doing and do wound care. You have patients crashing left and right, one day I sent 3 skilled residents out and all were admitted to ICU. Wound vacs galore, TPN galore.

The day I told myself "enough is enough" I had 20 SNF residents and 20 LTC residents. Of the 20 skilled residents, 6 of them were hoyer lifts, 8 of them were 2 person transfers, 2 were getting TPN via PICC line and they needed lab work drawn and the results faxed to pharmacy, both of their PICC line dressings were due to be changed. One residents lab work came back and his creatinine was 4.62 (no history of kidney problems so he got sent out), I had 2 wound vacs dressings that needed to be changed, 3 people with stage 3 or higher decubs that needed their wet to dry dressings replaced, 10 on fsbs with ss insulin, 3 peg tube 2 of which were continuous, the other one was bolu feeding, 6 people on duonebs and it is corporate policy that you cannot leave the resident unattended while the duoneb is going, 3 of my LTC residents had fallen and were on neuro checks 2 of my LTC residents had MD appointments, my TPN arrived and I had nowhere to put it because our refrigerator was full of antibiotics. As I'm talking to the ADON about where to put the TPN, 2 admits roll through the door at the same time and my CMA shouted to me "Hey their rooms aren't even ready yet!" I yelled back "WTF do you want me to do about it?" And to top it all off neither our printer nor our fax machine worked at all that week so you had to go clear across the building every single time you needed to print or fax anything which you know is pretty frequently. For the last month my 8 hour days have become 11 hour days. I had a nervous breakdown and self terminated that weekend. Right now I'm on a mental health vacation. WTF is Healthcare coming to?

As another poster said, I'm exhausted just reading what you went through. :(

Why not try clinic or urgent care next?

Specializes in LTC, Rehab.

A couple of years ago we went through a 6-month or so period where quite a few of us had 2 units many times - for no extra pay (!) - until mgt. FINALLY brought in a couple of travel nurses. It was very stressful, made many of us really angry ... but at the time, I made a joke to blow off steam. There are 5 units where I work, and my joke was that one day I'd come in and a mgr. would drop one set of keys after another, ka-clunk, ka-clunk, ka-clunk, on the counter in front of me, and say "We're sorry, but you have all 5 units. Just do the best you can". I got some grim laughter from some co-workers when I told that to 'em...

LOL! At least it isn't just me who thinks their expectations are absurd. I actually start at an LTACH in March.

AWESOME!! I loved working at an LTACH I really did. Congratulations to you for removing yourself from such an awful, mentally challenging and demanding environment. Sadly, this is why most nurses, especially new grads, refuse to work in LTC/SNFs. It sounded as if one could have gained great experience there only if the staffing was adequate for the acuity of care.

I wish you luck with your new job!

I could never handle the assignments you had and yes they sound like they should be LTAC patients. My understanding is LTACHS pay well and the ratio is about 8 on nights. I hope you can find a better place to work. You are right the small independent facilities usually have decent and humane staffing and once the big corporations take over it becomes a **** show!

After hearing what you were dealing with I feel sorry for even complaining about my assignments. They don't compare. No way could I handle that!

With these insane, unsafe staffing levels no wonder so many nurses need psyche meds and are having nervous breakdowns!

It's like they hire a nurse, burn them out and then replace them like a piece of trash. I start an LTACH on 3/12. I've worked MICU, SICU, CCU, CVICU, nerological ICU, neurosurgical ICU, ER, memory care, and LTC SNF. So I have the skills, I just pray the nurse to patient ratios aren't ridiculous.

As another poster said, I'm exhausted just reading what you went through. :(

Why not try clinic or urgent care next?

I'm sorry but it's the truth. Most urgent care places do not hire nurses. RN or LPN. They hire MA's. Guess why??????? $$$$$

Specializes in SICU, trauma, neuro.
Sorry! It's 100% true SMH. No the ones who require an LTACH but we take anyways because all of the LTACH's are full usually crash within 24 hours of admission and end up getting sent back out because we don't have an in house CT, X-ray, RT, doctor, or even bipap machine available if their issues are respiratory in nature. And our o2 concentrators only go up to 5L so god forbid somebody needs to be on a nonrebreather until EMS arrives. If an x-ray is ordered stat, the x-ray company we use has up to 4 hours to obtain it, and then it takes another 2 hours to get the report. I sent 3 residents out one day and all were admitted to ICU, all had been at the facility less than 72 hours. So essentially that day I took care of 3 ICU patients, 17 skilled patients, and 20 LTC patients.

Uff da. :eek: :eek::eek:

Specializes in LTC, Rehab.

Ironic item #2 from me on this thread: today is my last day at my LTC/rehab facility, but due to someone being out w/health problems, I may have 50+ people for half of the shift. Right 'til the end they get me... :^)

My head is pounding reading through all this... did I miss in there if you have CNAs? If you do can't they do vitals? With the exception of patients on perameters of course. That is just way too much work for just you alone. We have wound rounds on tuesdays and If the infection control nurse ripped off my dressing and left it open to air without a N.O to do so I'd have something to say about it. Who does that? You should have walked out months ago. It just shouldn't be that way. Our APRN comes twice a week. We write non imergent issues she can address on her next visit in a book. Immediate issues get passed to the supervisor, who then contacts the Dr or APRN. Any N.O gets put in the computer by the supervisor and I just co-note unless she sudddnly has new admissions and then we work together to get it done. Find a facility that doesn't abuse you like that. It breaks my heart that these places exist. What did the supervisors do at this facility?

Ironic item #2 from me on this thread: today is my last day at my LTC/rehab facility, but due to someone being out w/health problems, I may have 50+ people for half of the shift. Right 'til the end they get me... :^)

We need to quit, all at once. Every single nurse at every single LTC facility needs to strike. I know it will never happen, but because it doesn't these huge corporations continue to get away with it. I quit 2 weeks ago, didn't even give notice. They didn't deserve notice. And obviously they gave zero ***** because they hired my replacement (bless her heart) the very next day. What does that say to me? #1 I was never valued #2 my hard work and astute assessment skills were not appreciated #3 in order to get a job there all you need is a pulse and the ability to be vertical. I start my LTACH job on 3/12. I'll definitely let you know how it goes.

Oh I forgot the most important part of my last post, they don't give a damn about those residents. They are nothing to them but dollar signs.

Specializes in Neuro, Telemetry.

My first acute job was in an LTACH. I loved it and still pick up there PRN. We get stable vents, various drips, wound nurses take care of the vacs and difficult dressing changes, RT manages the vents and breathing tx, we have an ICU for higher level of care if a patient codes or we are preventing and re admit, see all kinds of stuff, lots of blood products and HD patients due to their many other comorbidities. We are sadly very good at coding. I say sad because some of these people should have just been let go naturally but family won't give up. That's the only part that kind of sucks. Ratios are anywhere from 3-6 patients depending on acuity.

Specializes in Neuro, Telemetry.

Basically, an LTACH might be a great choice for you since you have acute experience and are stuck with too acute patients for SNF but in some areas insurance doesn't recognize LTACH as a difference from a STACH and won't lay so the patient who still needs hospital level care gets sent to a "super SNF" to them not have enough nursing care and just come back to the hospital.

May as well just stick with the ines gettin appropriate care and feel safer about you care and license.

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