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Why Do Nursing Instructors Rely So Heavily On PowerPoints To Teach? - page 2

I have completed 3 semesters of Nursing School and so far, every lecture instructor has used PowerPoints in the classroom to teach. This method has been used probably 99% of the time. The PowerPoints... Read More

  1. Visit  ~Mi Vida Loca~RN profile page
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    Quote from EJM
    I think many students learn much better if the teacher says a fact and then writes it down on a chalkboard or whiteboard. Watching him/her write it actually reinforces it in the brain. It's like getting it twice. I also don't like using powerpoint printouts for studying. It is not the best way to learn IMO.
    I know this method helped me and was pretty close to how my Med/Surg teacher did things with his "care map" method. He would discuss it and write it and have active conversations with us going on about it. We have one teacher that pretty much buts things directly from the book on her power point and reads it. It's SO BORING and I often think "Why did I even bother coming to lecture when this is straight out of the book" Some of my other teachers used PP as a guide and always added to it. That was better than the previous method but my favorite was my Med/Surg teacher.
  2. Visit  CuriousMe profile page
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    Quote from EJM
    I think many students learn much better if the teacher says a fact and then writes it down on a chalkboard or whiteboard. Watching him/her write it actually reinforces it in the brain. It's like getting it twice. I also don't like using powerpoint printouts for studying. It is not the best way to learn IMO.
    That is my least favorite lecture style. I'm so freaked out about getting everything down, that I can't pay attention nearly as well.

    I MUCH prefer a PowerPoint.
  3. Visit  blueyesue profile page
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    Quote from CuriousMe
    That is my least favorite lecture style. I'm so freaked out about getting everything down, that I can't pay attention nearly as well.

    I MUCH prefer a PowerPoint.
    We all have different learning styles, likes and dislikes. I just wish teachers would branch out from their powerpoints. It seems like our schools (a large chunk of them anyway) are stuck on it.
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  4. Visit  strawberryluv profile page
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    I actually like power points. My biology teacher has been proven quite good at presenting the material via power point. Along the way, she would read off of it and elaborate on each point on the slide. I think its an excellent tool but only for supplimenting the reading. Relying too much on the power point put me into trouble my last bio exam before the final and I got a 86%. My average is still an A though :].
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  5. Visit  CuriousMe profile page
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    Quote from EJM
    We all have different learning styles, likes and dislikes. I just wish teachers would branch out from their powerpoints. It seems like our schools (a large chunk of them anyway) are stuck on it.
    We do all learn differently. I dislike when Prof's try and get creative with presenting information. I don't want to play games, join small discussion groups and emote about the topic, or frantically try and keep up with a Prof writing chicken scratch on a white board while trying to understand what they're talking about.

    I want to go to a lecture, by a knowledgeable professor with a well organized PowerPoint, and learn.

    This was one of the ways I chose my current program.
  6. Visit  Moogie profile page
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    Quote from jjjoy
    Don't blame the Powerpoint! I suspect that so much material is crammed into so short a time that for instructors to cover all of the content the solution too often is to read, quickly and without elaboration, non-stop through dozens of pages of material.

    Even before Powerpoint became ubiquitous, too many of my nursing instructors seemed to do just that - no time for questions, elaborations, examples, etc. Why bother having students all come together for lecture at all if the instructors are just going to read out loud to them, and read so fast that's there really no time to process the info before moving right along to the next and the next and the next?

    If I reviewed the material ahead of time, then at least the 'lecture' could function as a mandatory speed review of the reading materials. It didn't help with comprehension or even retention, but it did increase my familiarity with the 'nursing language' and general nursing considerations associated with whatever units we were covering at that time (pediatrics, oncology, etc)
    I think your point is very well-taken (no pun intended---PowerPoint, point, sorry.) However, not all PowerPoints are created equally. In one of my courses over the summer, a couple of classmates created a PowerPoint that was truly a work of art---it was well organized, visually appealing, and captured everyone's interest. It was an amazing piece of work. Not saying that all PowerPoints have to live up to this high of a standard, but there's a huge difference between a presentation that augments learning and one that bores the audience into a stupor. Canned PowerPoints often have the latter effect on many people.

    I agree completely that reading the material before lecture is an excellent way to increase one's active learning. However, it is mind-numbing to sit in a class or a presentation and have someone read the slides verbatim. I agree that it is difficult when instructors read so quickly that there is no time to process information or to ask questions.

    I agree that one cannot entirely blame the PowerPoint and one cannot entirely blame the instructor. Learning takes effort and there are students who will tune out even the most interesting lectures or the most captivating PowerPoints. However, there are times when it's appropriate to point out that the emperor wears no clothes and that the instructor may not be the most gifted in terms of organizing or delivering content.
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  7. Visit  ImThatGuy profile page
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    Quote from SarahMaria
    I have completed 3 semesters of Nursing School and so far, every lecture instructor has used PowerPoints in the classroom to teach. This method has been used probably 99% of the time. The PowerPoints are provided ahead of time for download on a website, so students can bring them to class. Then, the instructor projects the PowerPoint on a screen and READS it at us for the lecture period (3-4 hours). Occasionally, there is a student question or the instructor may add something.
    Why is this type of "teaching" popular? Why am I spending money to go to class to have somebody read to me when I am fully capable of reading the same material in the comfort of my own home? It seems lazy and insulting to my intelligence.

    Any thoughts? Does anyone else have this experience? Does anyone benefit from this method of instruction?

    I hate it too. Fortunately, I got my first degree before the PowerPoint craze so I didn't have to endure it then. Now, however, is a different story. I guess it prevents them from having to write on a board, and they can more readily recycle their lesson plan for the next class. Realistically, it's to provide a medium for non-auditory learners, i.e. the visual learner, but I don't ever see anyone looking at them. I can't stand being read to like that. All that said, I don't like activities, group projects, team discussions, etc. I want to sit, be spoken to, and dismissed. If I choose to read anything it'll be select chapters of the textbook that interest me.

    Quite simply, nursing school is death by PowerPoint. Police academy is the same way, FYI, if you ever decide to change sides. I spent over 300 clock hours watching PowerPoint slides change, and the instructors there didn't do anything BUT read to you.

    I am absolutely, positively, thoroughly convinced that the didactics of ANY RN and/or BSN program could be completed entirely online.

    I wanted to add that you're not "supposed" to put but four to five short, concise statements on a slide and limit the number of the slides. Also, I cannot stand when a teacher, nursing or otherwise, is unable to answer a question when the answer is not a direct statment from the PowePoint or textbook. If you can't elaborate, move on. I know you can't be an expert in everything, but if you're going to teach something then try to know more than the paragraph in the textbook or on the ppt says.
    Last edit by ImThatGuy on Dec 17, '10
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  8. Visit  SarahMaria profile page
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    Quote from ImThatGuy
    I hate it too. Fortunately, I got my first degree before the PowerPoint craze so I didn't have to endure it then. Now, however, is a different story. I guess it prevents them from having to write on a board, and they can more readily recycle their lesson plan for the next class. Realistically, it's to provide a medium for non-auditory learners, i.e. the visual learner, but I don't ever see anyone looking at them. I can't stand being read to like that. All that said, I don't like activities, group projects, team discussions, etc. I want to sit, be spoken to, and dismissed. If I choose to read anything it'll be select chapters of the textbook that interest me.

    Quite simply, nursing school is death by PowerPoint. Police academy is the same way, FYI, if you ever decide to change sides. I spent over 300 clock hours watching PowerPoint slides change, and the instructors there didn't do anything BUT read to you.

    I am absolutely, positively, thoroughly convinced that the didactics of ANY RN and/or BSN program could be completed entirely online.

    I wanted to add that you're not "supposed" to put but four to five short, concise statements on a slide and limit the number of the slides. Also, I cannot stand when a teacher, nursing or otherwise, is unable to answer a question when the answer is not a direct statment from the PowePoint or textbook. If you can't elaborate, move on. I know you can't be an expert in everything, but if you're going to teach something then try to know more than the paragraph in the textbook or on the ppt says.

    I completely agree. Beautifully written. Same as you, I received my BA and JD without any PowerPoint presentations. My undergraduate and law professors were incredibly knowledgeable and able to think on their feet. Some would use notes, others would lecture without any aids at all. Most encouraged avid student participation to keep class interesting and engaging.

    I also agree that group work, projects, quizzes, and activities are very juvenile, and I think instructors do these types of "learning" methods to avoid having to teach.

    I think you are absolutely right. The entire curriculum (except clinical) of nursing school can be self-taught either online or through textbooks.
  9. Visit  ProfRN4 profile page
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    Why do we rely on it? Because it's what you guys want

    Obviously not ALL of you, but let me tell you, on the rare occasion that I walked into lecture without it (due to my technical ineptitude ), the class would literally freak out!! I'd often go into my rendition of 'back when I was in Nursing School..."

    But it's true. Before the days of PP, nursing students did what they had to do: record lectures, and/or wrote until their hands fell off. I would go home and rewrite my lectures (so they looked neat, color-coded for my own purposes, and it reinforced it).

    I put a lot of effort into my PPs. I may start off with the 'canned' version (for consistancy purposes, as I have gotten nailed for giving info that conflictw with the text). I add lots of pictures, graphs, charts. I do not read it word for word, and I say a lot more than is what is on the slides (whcih leads to students complaining that there is not enough on the PP). The Powerpoint should not be the lecture; if that were the case, I could e-mail it to you, and you wouldn't have to come to class.

    I have seen colleagues read right off the slides, load the slides with every little thing, and use the canned version. I cringe
  10. Visit  jjjoy profile page
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    I appreciate your sense of humor, Nurse Educate! And if your students don't appreciate your efforts now, they probably will at a later point. I do wonder if you happen to teach more younger, first-time students as opposed to older, second-degree students. Or maybe they all come across as whiney!

    Quote from nurse educate
    But it's true. Before the days of PP, nursing students did what they had to do: record lectures, and/or wrote until their hands fell off... .The Powerpoint should not be the lecture; if that were the case, I could e-mail it to you, and you wouldn't have to come to class.
    Even in pre-Powerpoint days, if lecture was just an almost verbatim repeat of the text, why bother? I did have some non-nursing classes that were dull like that, but most weren't. On the other hand, most nursing lectures were a mind-numbing, very rushed, almost exact repeat of major chunks of the text. Let's see, 30 seconds per page for a three hour lecture, minus a short break... that would 'cover' about 300 pages of text.

    I may start off with the 'canned' version (for consistancy purposes, as I have gotten nailed for giving info that conflictw with the text).
    I again blame the system, not so much the instructors in regard to so much controversy over lecture/text conflict. Instructors have to use NCLEX style questions and so often rely on test banks instead of writing their own. It's not like the instructor is going to read through every page of the 1000+ page text book and then record and listen to every word of their lectures to ensure there aren't any conflicts or inaccuracies between the text, lecture and test questions. Add to that that the test covers just a very small fraction of the content studied, that the wording of some questions is not straight forward and that there's a very small margin of error (eg 82% to pass), of course students will nit-pick every question they get wrong!
  11. Visit  Stcroix profile page
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    My posters have stated very well that Powerpoints are tools. As an individual who has spent time on both sides of the desk, and also long before there were even computers, I think I may have something to add. Back in the day (when coal was still alive), I had some profs who were great teachers, and some who were dismal. The same can be said today, nothing really changes. A good teacher will use tools to fit in with his/ her strengths, and make up for their weaknesses. In my opinion, a good teacher can teach almost anything. The criteria that are used to select teachers is suspect. I have an advanced degree, but I know I am a lousy teacher, but I bet some school out there would hire me. Doubt if the system will ever change though. Lucky is the student who finds that rare individual, a real teacher, because true inspiration can be found!
  12. Visit  ImThatGuy profile page
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    I survived pre-PowerPoint without taking copious notes.
  13. Visit  HyperSaurus, RN profile page
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    Many of my profs use power points, but not all. Some make Word documents with blanks in them for us to print out and fill out through out lecture. I had one professor, for Peds, who did used case studies as her main format. Not many people enjoyed that, but I did. The profs who do use power points use them responsibly (except the one who skips 15-20 out of the 60 slides)


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