My husband won't let me do bed baths - page 15
I told my husband that we are doing bed baths in lab on Friday. He looked at me strange and asked me why on earth I would want to do that. I told him that it is just something you do as a nurse. He... Read More
Oct 26, '06Quote from StudentSpouseLets turn it around... If your husband came home and said, "... Oh honey I had to give my secretary a back rub today..." Would you not be peeved off?
Ok perhaps backrub is a bad example..... I think that might be in our sexual harassment handbook...
However I think castration is a little harsh...
have to agree its a bad example lol - like comparing apples to rocks - how about this situation ( as t actually happened to me and yes - i did get a tad jealous as he told me but got over it lol) hubby worked in factory - small petite pretty gal working with him in a job she could not do properly due to lack of strentgh or in my opinion lack of morals lol ( i think she did it on purpose to tease the men sexually ) but she always asked for help putting the tubs up on the higher racks and guess what she would stand in front o fthem haveing them "help" with thier bodies brushing together - HAHAHa is funny cause it actually bothered hubby so much he complined to his boss either she just let him do it or get another area in factory cause she wasted so much of his time lol - hubby insists she did not do it on purpose but then my hubby could have a naked lady standing next to him and not notice roflmao ( has happened im told by guys who took him to strip club - they thought he was "odd" and wanted me to know lol - )
Oct 26, '06Quote from Princess74I think that one reason is so that we will be more aware of whats it's like to be on the side. (of the patient)
We will be doing bed baths as well as several other procedures on each other. I might have a different opinion once I actually have to do them on classmates but as of right now I think that it is better to practice on a real person than on a mannequin. It makes it much more real, we need to be comfortable touching other people, it's all part of the job. Just my 2 cents!
As for my SO telling me I'm not allowed to do something, I would tell him that he must have lost his mind. I'm not his property. Actually I would probably tell him if he didn't want me to wash my male classmates then he could come in and let the me and the whole class practice on him. Maybe then he would realise how embarrassed he would be and that there is nothing sexual about it. Thankfully my boyfriend is my biggest cheerleader (actually I think it's a tie with my mom) he is such a big support and he is so proud of me whenever I accomplish something or pass another test. I'm really lucky!!
had only normal jittery will i do this well and stuff in clinicals having to touch others bodies while they were ill or elderly in nursing home rotation but i sure would have had an issue had i nbeen made to touch another ( not sick) person or allow them to touch me. just wouldnt have happened. as for putting us in anothers shoes so to speak more than likely most people have been in the hospital or docs office where they have had to disrobe and be examined at least once in there life -quite different than voluntarilly doing it with someone who is NOT your practitioner or nurse but a buddy or classmate.
Oct 26, '06Quote from Skittlezwell put -Hearts, I'm going to give you a differnet perspective... I'm married and my husband says stuff like that too. We both think its funny and cute. And without saying it he is just say "I dont want you to leave me baby..." I totally understand that. I feel the same way too..We just love each other that dog on much..Making a husband an "ex" because he wants his wife is ummmm.... i dont know what to say about that... but try to see it from his perspective and put yourself in his place. Imagine the images that he is seeing right now.. some man rubbing his hands down your body... shorts or not.. thats a bad image for a husband.. now.. imagine someone rubbing there hands down your husbands body.. now.. how do you feel.. would it be wrong to voice your opinion about how you feel about another woman's hands on him in such a way. Even though we both know that it is not "glamorous" or its not the way it seems. Please know that you do need to try to soothe him the best way you can in the ways that only you know how to do. Taking on the attitude that "Im a nurse now I dont have to listen to you..." is the exact attitude that husbands are afraid of. Prove him wrong.
Oct 26, '06Quote from MarySunshinei agree - i di dnotread in the original post that he was overbearing domineering etc just that he had an issue wioyth a classmate touching his wife that wsa male - please - i WISH i had that trouble lol. my hubby is so complacent there are times i have wondered ( though obviously not all the time as still married haha)Let's give this guy the benefit of the doubt...maybe he just has a problem with a healthy, young, NON-PATIENT/NON-NURSE getting to touch his wife when it could just as easily be a female instead. I still totally disagree with him, but that might be the only issue he has...we're assigning A LOT of bad traits to him in this thread so far.
Oct 26, '06Quote from carolinapoohhowever it appears by yor post you are female and your lab partner was also - totally different scenario -DH and I made jokes about the fact that, for our Diagnostic Reasoning/Physical Assessment class, we did breast and abdomen last week. It was sophomoric (of course ) but it stayed between us and I was able to get my nerves out and relax a bit before actually having to bare all for my lab partner...
Going into lab I felt a whole lot better (like the giggles were out or something!) and I was still nervous, but I just told myself that hey - I took SHOWERS with women I didn't know as well as I know my lab partner when I was in basic training in the Air Force....when we were behind the drapes on the exam table, I looked at her, said, "let's get this over with", and dropped my gown in the front. After the first five minutes, we went into this nurse-patient sort of mode, and it wasn't a big deal any more.
This guy needs a bit of adjustment somewhere. Well, maybe in several "wheres", actually....
Oct 26, '06Quote from elizabeth321OK I know this statement was a bit of a reach....but do you guys really talk that much about what you do at work with your SO? Mine is not interested...we occassionaly have very general conversations but we have a life outside of work and there is no time to talk about these details to this length. Nor is there the desire.
lol not much and when i do because i just have to share NOW like had a bad experience or a funny one or etc - he doesnt have much interest and it shows - his look is like he just dont understand why i love my job with all the nasty stuff there lol.
Oct 26, '06Quote from katapnI pray that I am wrong about this, but this has absolutely nothing to do with bed baths.
Please give this some careful consideration.
I had a conversation with my friend, Kim. I tried to tell her that her husband's jealous behavior was abusive. I went so far as to tell her that their situation was escalating ( I had seen the signs for the better part of 3 years) and that if she didn't get some help, he would inevitably kill her. She dismissed my comments....maybe out of denial, or just out of frustration, maybe she loved him, she didn't want to give up, maybe she was TRULY AFRAID and was unable to share that with me. She believed that he loved her and that they could work it out.....sadly love has nothing to do with this. After all, we are nurses, we are supposed to understand, we are supposed to use therapeutic communication to let our patients and our loved ones know they are heard. We are supposed to find the appropriate intervention to make things better, in practice and in our personal lives. We are the care givers. We are HUMAN!
2 short months after Kim and I had that conversation, her husband shot her in the head and killed her.
You may be in an abusive relationship if your husband is jealous or possessive of you. Jealousy is the PRIMARY sign of abusive relationships. Is he controlling or demanding? If he is trying to dictate what you may or may not do within your scope of practice, he is absolutely being controlling and demanding and his jealousy is plainly obvious. This has nothing to do with bed baths.
Does he try to isolate you by limiting your contact with family and friends? I could go on and on here but I will say please just google "abusive relationships" and educate yourself on this subject. Please, I implore you to talk to someone about this. You are not alone, even if it feels like you are.
I know, I lived it too, but I was lucky.
My beautiful friend, Kimberly Deanne Jackson, RN was not.
Please talk to someone about this. Please.
This has nothing to do with bed baths.
you knew your friend well and i am sorry for your loss and will pray - i too was in a very abusive relationship and am lucky to be alive - however the OP never gave us any indication he was trying to control her career just that he was not wanting her to get a bed bath by another student who was male - unless the OP says yeah my hubby is a jerk and is controlling in every aspect of my life yada yad a- i thin k her next explining post said a lot - he came from a large family where dad took care of things - old fashined people are rare but they are out there , can be insecure with someone who wishes to not be so old fashioned anymore and feel theatend but doesnt mean they cant work it out. - lets not label someone we dont know the whole circumstances.
Oct 26, '06Quote from RNyeaagree here too - was just to chicken to address it as many find it controversial and i am a whimp ( god forgive me)First of all, I disagree with everyone. I believe that a marriage that is not built on honesty is not really a marriage. You need to tell your husband what will be expected of you as a nurse. Then you may have to choose what is most important to you---your marriage or a career. Personally, I believe that marriage is a permanent covenant that we make and supercedes all other relationships and things in life. The Word of God says that your husband does own your body and you own his. (I Corinthians) When my husband and I married, we decided that we had the right to "veto" each other---if one of us just couldn't stand what the other might be doing, etc. If you are married, your first "career" is to love your husband and children and make sure their needs are met. If you have time after that priority, then that decision is up to you and your husband jointly. This isn't just about you--if you are married and understand what marriage means. I don't buy the excuse that your husband is "insecure". I think that is just who he is and God asks us to respect our husbands since they have been given to us to take care of. Why would taking care of others be MORE IMPORTANT than taking care of your own husband emotionally and in every other way? You have some "priority" thinking to do ----that is if you value your marriage.
Oct 26, '06Quote from ZASHAGALKAwow - thanks for the thought provoking post - i do believe that my marriage comes above all except god but this sure is thought provoking. off too look up that chapterYou contradict yourself in your 2nd sentence: you describe marriage as being regardless of the values of your spouse, but you state at the very beginning that YOU believe there are qualities that make a marriage 'not really a marriage'. And the quality you describe as so important: honesty. Well, let me stipulate that jealousy is dishonest.
It is a direct attack on the fidelity of a relationship. Jealousy takes internal insecurities and dishonestly projects them upon the fidelity of a spouse. In reality, there is NO relationship between jealousy and infidelity. Jealousy is the FEAR of an unfaithful action and not a response to such an action itself. As such, an attempt to connect the two - fear to an act - is dishonest.
Your quote above is out of context. 1 Cor 7: 3-5 is clearly about sexual relations and NOT about spiritual domination.
But, if we want to quote scripture, let's try, in context, Eph 5:27 where it says that a husband has an obligation to present his wife as 'radiant'. Or vs 28 where a husband is obligated to love his wife 'as himself'.
Let me stipulate that unbridled jealousy is neither.
I completely understand the importance of faith in a relationship. Jealousy undermines that.
The Bible does not grant any spouse the right to 'veto' the dreams of another. That is a complete misunderstanding. Marriage is about bringing each other along, not holding them back. A Biblical understanding of marriage is about growing, not about checking a partner.
While I agree that marriage should be the highest earthbound priority in life, I disagree that such a high contract gives a spouse the right to abuse such intimacy, or to use it as leverage to promote their own selfish agenda. In stark contrast, it demands a higher respect of both the contract itself, and the partner in that contract.
And THAT is wholly at issue here.
Your viewpoint is noble, but doesn't speak to the real trials and key concessions that make a marriage successful. It's not enough to decide that a marriage is the most important thing: you have to MAKE it that way. And that requires presenting a wife as 'radiant'. Using the power of that bond to 'get your way' at the expense of a spouse trying to excel in the world falls far shy of 'radiant'.
And Paul, in 1 Cor 7, fully understood this. Read that chapter again and see how it discusses the very real issue of marriage in chaos. Oh yes! I agree that faith can overcome such obstacles. But it takes the faith of two partners.
Jealousy is unfaithful.
Oct 26, '06Quote from BlueEyedRNAre you serious?? I cannot believe that you are seriously discussing divorce connected to this issue. This is a marriage. This is not her boyfriend or fiancee. This is a marriage, a covenant that should never be taken lightly. And since the OP is only 25, we can assume that it is still a fairly new marriage. And she did go and get her bedbath. Of course there is more at issue here than a simple bedbath, but to equate his reaction with a violation of faith as big as adultery? This is too much. Every marriage has issues and unless those issues are serious enough to cause physical or emotional damage, they can be worked through. It makes me physically ill to read how much abuse has been heaped on this husband by members of this forum and how little support has been given. There are other women in situations like this or even more frustrating who do not know how to deal with it and I cannot believe that this is the best we have to offer them. I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience in your past, but you need to show a little more compassion here.
Jealousy is negative. However, it CAN be talked through and worked out. I have experience with this. Most of my married friends have experience with this. My husband is the oldest of five boys with a dominating father and submissive mother. I can tell you, the first couple of years we were married were a struggle, but he just didn't understand then how a husband-wife partnership should work. He understands now and we have an incredible marriage. I was patient with him, but I helped him grow and now we are so much happier. I know that you can't "change" someone, but you can't just give up on them either. I also know women who are in relationships with domineering husbands, and they choose to stay with them. It is incredibly common, which is very sad. But, the worst thing you can do for such a woman is to tell her how weak she is, and so many posts on this thread have essentially said just that. "Oh, my husband would never say that because I'd rip off his. . . and he knows that." She needs to be supported and encouraged and this thread is far from supportive.
Besides, from what I've read from the OP, she sounds like she can handle herself and that she isn't a doormat to her husband anyway. Nurses need to be supportive of their husbands too, you know (or wives). It's a job that is exciting and takes a big investment of self and you spend all this time with handsome, rich, successful doctors. Why don't we all just think of something constructive to say, like "talk it out, work it out, and you will grow from the experience."
good post. in myopinion the way the world views marriage ( to easy to get married and justget divorced " no fault - irreconsilable differences" etc - ) is a lot at fault for the way society views things - instead of working on it - its easier to just let go or "rip off thier ...." if they tell you what to do type attitude.
Oct 26, '06Quote from LuvsdolphinsRNi have never seen one made y heart jump either but i have seen mariages break apart nurse to dr and nurse to patient cause these folks end up getting it on with each other - it is not an unrealistic fear for him and if i have seen it often in my small town i am sure it is even more in bigger places.I think your husband needs to be told about your job. I have lost count of how many naked bodies I have seen in my 20++++ yrs of practice. I have NEVER seen one that made my heart jump and would not think of crossing the line of boundaries that is included in the oath that we take when we become licensed as an RN. Maybe you could approach it from that stand point with your husband so he will understand what it means to be a professional in the health field. I hope this advice helps.
Nov 8, '06hehehe- to lighten this up, my DH (dear hubby) does not mind at all. But I do have 'rules' ......
if it is a man- he has to pay a bill- i am to try to earn a mortgage payment
if it is another woman... i am to videotape it <rolls eyes>
But from a serious aspect. It is a learning experience in front of a classroom. I doubt it is going to be sexual in any way, shape, or form.
Nov 8, '06We live in a military community and my neighbor across the street who just recently moved into our neighborhood is a nurse and was looking for a job....Her husband is military and didn't want her to work in the military hospital because he doesn't want her to be around all those GI's.
Well, after month and month of searching for a job she was finally "allowed" to accept a position in the military hospital. Rent is pretty high here in this area and he needs her money......he'll need her money even more next year since he will retire from the military and doesn't have a plan what to do with himself afterwards.
I've been married to someone who was controlling in that fashion and didn't even want me to get a GED ( I am an immigrant and that's what I had to do to start my integration process, nobody gave me any credits for any prior education in my native country....I felt like a naked mole rat when I first came here with that nut of a guy) He even went so far to say that my GED didn't count since I didn't grow up here. Needless to say I found the courage to divorce him and stayed in the US with my son. WE survived on 2 minimum wage jobs. It was very hard without any kind of support from anyone. Of course, he also made everything extremely difficult during the divorce and tried to take my son away from me too, said I wasnt a citizen and didn't have rights and garbage like that! All I can tell you is to get out of the relationship as fast as you can, these things don't get better!!!!! If you stay you may end up with a bullet hole in your head or worse, dead! RUN!!!! RUN!!!! RUN!!!!! Don't put up with it! My neighbor shows the classic signs of a battered woman, I was one but fought back....don't become one!
BTW, I remarried and now have a very supportive husband who does everything in his power to help me reach my goals.Last edit by stpauligirl on Nov 8, '06