Cheating at your school - page 2

hi everyone. I got pulled out of class on Friday and was told that the girl sitting next to me cheated during our test last week. The teacher wants me thrown out of school also...he says that I... Read More

  1. by   southernbelle08
    I'd fight back in any way possible. At our school we are placed two seats away from one another and we have to use a cover sheet. However, I often find myself so caught up in my test that I don't always use my sheet and have to catch myself and cover up my paper. It wasn't your fault that someone else was doing wrong and like I said - I'd fight it with all I had. You've come to far to pay for someone else's mistake. GL!
  2. by   stuffbubby541
    HI FUTURE NURSE...

    Just was reading your post. First of all, whenever I have an exam, our instructors position us so that we will not have an opportunity to cheat. The instructors walk up and down the isles! We literally move the desks so that we are not accused of cheating and/or look as if our classmate neighbor is looking at our exams.

    Our instructors do not give us our exams back to keep. They are collected. Everyone gets the same test, but in different order.

    FIGHT LIKE HELL. :angryfire Even call the newspapers if you have to. This is terrible. But it just indicates that people are so damn desparate, they cheat!!! It seems like my school, it's a common problem. This is the instructors fault and you are paying for it.

    Good luck and please keep up posted!
  3. by   FutureNurse2005
    met with the dean this morning...she has ruled against me. Legal Aid and Student Association poured over the college policies to find a way out of this mess, but there is nothing. The other student claims that I was involved (and I was not!!). I have no way to prove this.
    We have filed for another appeal. It is my last chance. I am beyond devastated. I have been busting my butt for over 3 years...and now some stupid girl has ruined it.

    Please keep me in your thoughts....

    forgot to add: normally we are spaced out and there are different versions of the tests. Unfortunately, there is no policy that they HAVE to do this. We are a group of about 200 students in a small classroom. We had to sit side by side. I thought my paper was covered enough...but then again I was focused on my test, and not on the other students. We have contacted a lawyer...but not sure what good it will do. The college policies are plain as day. The college has the right to suspend or expel a student at any time if they feel the code of conduct has been violated. I'm hoping for a miracle.
    Last edit by FutureNurse2005 on Oct 24, '07
  4. by   student-with-no-life
    I am so sorry to hear you are going thru this. this is so wrong!!!! do you think you can bring personal charges against this student? possible a defamation of charector suit?
    I REALLY hope this works out for you. I really do.

    it is so sad somebody like yourself gets punished for the shortcomings of another person. it is so wrong.

    we have a student at my school who literally took a disc out of the laptop (which I witnessed) that had the entire quarters tests on it--then proceeded to make copies and pass them out to students. Now I will say MOST of the students turned down the copies. And Yes I reported what I saw and yes the student was confronted and yes they admitted to taking the disc. guess what? student got NO, yes NO type of punishment!!!!!!!!! so they stoled and cheated and nothing happened. But people found out I was the one that reported him and guess who nobody talks to??? they rather hang out with a cheat than somebody who is honest. makes you wonder what kind of nurses they will be. and yes to answer question going thru your head the state was contacted, not by me, but by another student. still Nothing happend.

    Please fight with everything you have--don't give up.
  5. by   APBT mom
    That's horrible I hope it all works out for you in the long run. Do you and this girl get along? Did the instructor state how she found out that she was cheating from you?
  6. by   Kathyz
    I'm so sorry to hear what you're going through. Don't give up.

    Good luck!
  7. by   pkohm
    wow yeah that's horrible. I never really pay attention to anything but my test.
    Once during a test the person next to me was cheating (no idea who they were) i didn't notice, but the prof. came up and said "Look over at his paper again and your out" And then the guy was dumb enough to look over again, and the prof. went up to him and kicked him out of the class on the spot and never said anything to me or gave me a look or anything... There's no reason for you to get in trouble for someone else there's enough to stress about on a test to have to worry about covering up everything your doing.
  8. by   SarasotaRN2b
    So sorry to hear about your troubles. I think that it is horrible that cheating has gotten so out of hand that the innocent have to prove themselves so, while the guilty have to be proven guilty. If this is a situation where there are too many students within a small classroom taking an exam (where they can't be spread out), the tests should then be different. There is already so much energy used on taking the exam, the paranoia that instructors spark by having everyone cover their papers at all times, only adds to the stress.

    Praying that this works out for you!
    Kris
  9. by   LMRN10
    OMG...I want to cry for you!!! How absolutely unfair is that??? Man...I couldn't imagine having to deal with that...now if this happens, is that it for you? You can't try for Nursing anymore?

    Oh, how can someone ruin your future like that? I am saying huge HUGE prayers for you right now praying that it turns around in your favor. Please keep us posted. Makes me ill that someone can do this to someone who has worked so hard.
  10. by   justme1972
    Quote from ZooKeeper247
    Unfortunately alot of teachers hold this opinion, ours at least tell us on day 1 and remind us throughout, keep you papers covered, if anyone is caught cheating, them and the person from whom they cheated are both held accountable.
    That's well and good...IF you know someone is looking.

    I totally disagree with schools that have that policy, that puts all of the responsibility on the students and NONE of it on PAID faculty.
  11. by   justme1972
    Quote from FutureNurse2005
    met with the dean this morning...she has ruled against me. Legal Aid and Student Association poured over the college policies to find a way out of this mess, but there is nothing. The other student claims that I was involved (and I was not!!). I have no way to prove this.
    We have filed for another appeal. It is my last chance. I am beyond devastated. I have been busting my butt for over 3 years...and now some stupid girl has ruined it.

    Please keep me in your thoughts....

    forgot to add: normally we are spaced out and there are different versions of the tests. Unfortunately, there is no policy that they HAVE to do this. We are a group of about 200 students in a small classroom. We had to sit side by side. I thought my paper was covered enough...but then again I was focused on my test, and not on the other students. We have contacted a lawyer...but not sure what good it will do. The college policies are plain as day. The college has the right to suspend or expel a student at any time if they feel the code of conduct has been violated. I'm hoping for a miracle.
    Sorry for the double post, but just because the college has a policy doesn't mean it's legal.

    Keep in mind the college has TO PROVE that you KNEW the other girl was looking at your paper, and they obviously haven't provided a classroom sufficient enough in order for you to cover your paper properly.

    An attorney can help you more than you know, and like physicans, if one doesn't sound like they are going to help you, find another one.

    Remember one thing: You DO NOT have to prove yourself innocent, they have to PROVE YOU GUILTY. You didn't benefit at all, the other girl did...so what was your incentive to cheat in one direction? There wasn't any....other than getting in trouble. That is your defense.

    Student Gov't Associations can't help you...they have no enforcement ability. It's just a "rah rah" thing for the student body to make them feel like they are in control.

    I would also consider contacting the media with your story.

    The girl had a reason to lie, you didn't. She just can't claim you were involved and the school can just believe her...they caught HER, they didn't catch you doing anything like leaning your paper over or anything else. You were guilty (according to them) for no other reason than because you sat beside of her.

    At my school, I would be in the same boat. We have no choice but to sit side by side and we are NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A COVER SHEET, nor are we given one by the faculty.
    Last edit by justme1972 on Oct 25, '07
  12. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from Rage
    Here's what you do......

    File a greivance with the Nursing dean
    File a greivance with the Student nursing association (if you have one)
    File a greivance with the Student government
    File a greivance with the college provost
    If necessary file a greivance with the college board

    In every college I have been to (5, over 200 credit hours) every time a greivance is filed it has to be followed up on, usually a threat of filing a greivance with the nursing dean will get action.
    Tell the dean you want a written account of what the professor saw and how he responded to the incident. Request your schedule to be shifted around in order NOT to have that professor again (in case of reprisal). In the written report you want to see documented proof of the allegation.

    Unfortunately "some" professors think they are kings of their domains, and while the kingdom runs fine there is never a need to challenge it. But when a situation like this jumps up then you need to nip it in the bud and make sure that the facts are known. This way future professors aren't tainted by that professor's bias.

    Remember this approach is pushing the envelope, but if your right then your right. More than likely you won't have to follow through with all of the steps outlined. But at least you now know what to do in case of problems. Good luck.
    And if all that doesn't work...

    File a complaint with anyone who is providing you financial aid (if you get kicked out, there goes their investment!)

    File a complaint with (aka write a letter to the editor of) the newspaper, highlighting this professor's failure to address the cheating instead of blaming you for it!

    File a complaint with the congressional representative for the district in which your school is located (almost all schools get some form of federal money) Do it with the state rep, too.

    File complaints with both the college and the student governing board. Show up at their next meetings and speak during public comment time.

    In short, don't give up! If you haven't done anything wrong, it is totally unfair for this professor to have the power to impact your life in such a profound way. Good luck.
  13. by   LMRN10
    Just wondering what happened with this. Did this ever get resolved and if so, I hope it was in your favor. I have been thinking about you and praying things turned out ok. Please update if you have a chance.

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