Atheist Professers - page 4

:confused: Hi everyone! I'm kind of new here, and I have a question: Right now I'm in A&P and my professor is an all out atheist. I realized when I decided to go the nursing route I would... Read More

  1. by   mark_LD_RN
    i may not openly protest a person spouting their christian views in class but that does not make it right. and there is a difference in discussing it in sociology and in anatomy class. it could actually be part of of socialogy. the professor has an obligation to teach not to indoctrinate his students. I personally would not stand for it, even if it were one promoting their christian views. I am in class to learn, if i want to learn about atheism i will sign up for a class on it. he is wrong period,end of discussion!
  2. by   pebbles
    Actually, I never even knew whether my teachers were christian or atheist or *what* they were - the subject never came up! To me, THAT is the essence of professional teaching...

    Even in a class that might include discussion of religious beliefs or aspects of life that are influenced by religion - the subject can be discussed in a manner that leaves out the specific views of both the teacher and the students.... I'd be more bothered by a teacher that I considered unprofessional than by having a teacher whose beliefs were different from my own.
  3. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Originally posted by pebbles
    Even in a class that might include discussion of religious beliefs or aspects of life that are influenced by religion - the subject can be discussed in a manner that leaves out the specific views of both the teacher and the students.... I'd be more bothered by a teacher that I considered unprofessional than by having a teacher whose beliefs were different from my own.
    Um, I just wanted to point out how freakin BRILLIANT this statement was. THIS is what it all boils down to ladies and gentlemen.

    Heather
  4. by   AmberNoel
    Originally posted by Sleepyeyes


    (I think the real irony there is that the original initiator of that law, atheist Madeline Murray O'Hare, is now dead, and her son is a Christian minister.)
    Never mind that religious diversity in the US breaks down as follows, from the World Factbook:
    Protestant 56%, Roman Catholic 28%, Jewish 2%, other 4%, none 10% (1989)
    The message Christians get is: It's ok to bash Christians and Christianity, and Christians have to take it, but Christians have to uphold the religious freedom of everyone else.
    I don't think it is ironic at all that O'Hare's oldest child is a Christian minister. Have you read any other biographical information on her? She allowed her son to be exposed to Christianity when he was young. She believed that he should be able to make his own choices. Later she realized that was a mistake. She raised her other children to be atheists believing that when they were old enough they could make a decision about religion.
    As for the qoute on the religious diversity in the US (which is 13 years old)--majority belief of an opinion does not always make it right.
    Christian's are very good at infringing on others religious freedom. I have never had a person of Muslim or Jewish faith try to convert me. However, nine times this year I have had people from different Christian churches knock on my door to "talk to me about God." Then when I calmly reply "no thank you" they have to pry and ask why. Come on! Give me a break! I am frequently forced into the position of defending my beleifs. I am not the one aproaching others. They come to me. I have never tried to convert others to atheism. So yes I think that Christians need to be reminded to uphold the religious freedom of everybody else.
  5. by   indeed
    Thank you AmberNoel. You said everything I wanted to say, and much more eloquently to boot. It is not the same, in this country, to be an Atheist and live day to day as it is to be a Christian and live day to day. Do Atheists call your home? Christians call mine, wanting to read me scripture. I don't know how they got my number. Two of the local church folk have taken to coming to my house AT LEAST once a month trying to save me from "eternal damnation" (their words, not mine). I have to be very careful about to whom I am expressing my views, because I have already learned that what I thought was a solid friendship can be lost at the drop of a hat for no other reason than my beliefs. I have been threatened, intimidated, and worst of all PATRONIZED for beliefs that are as important to me as Christian beliefs are to some of you. And this should be acceptable...because it is the majority speaking? I think not. None of this is acceptable, coming from either side, but the fact is this kind of stuff comes more from Christians (after all, there are more of them) than it does from Atheists. I will defend your right to believe what you believe with as much vigor as I defend my own, as would most of the Atheists I know. Unfortunately, we do not get the same from our Christian counterparts.

    Indeed.
  6. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    That's all very interesting.

    I was just thinking that I've never had an atheist tell me what they believe. On the other hand, I've had a whole bunch of people professing to be christian tell me what they believe and fall far from the teachings of Christ.

    And so how would I know if an invisible man in the sky and his son who lived 2000 years ago for a little over 30 years even exist. How do I know if this person who says they are a christian is actually of Christ ? I don't think that's possible. Maybe it's just all for show, but at least they believe in something.

    Do atheists believe in evolution, or is it just all for show?

    Can an atheist talk about the complexity of the human organism in relation to the other organisms on the planet(form fitting function-API) and not have an opinnion of its origins?

    I guess we wouldn't know a real atheist either.

    It's not possible to teach either evolution or creation as separate events. Evolution needs an origin to be complete. Even if there were nothing more than Hydrogen and an atmosphere, it came from somewhere. The discussion of an origin can be scientificaly based....................it is the operationalization of the question "where did we come from?" and it is absolutely topical to AP as a Biology class.

    However, the argument is not the sovereignty of either Atheism or Christianity since they are so undefinable.

    Lex Luther is just another perp without Superman. Atheism and christianity are all for show without biology for them to argue about.

    The invisible man must be very disapointed.

    Peeps
  7. by   Padawan-Nurse
    Religion matters little when it is not yours. Your life your "God of your understanding" Ignore his religious choice. The goal is the only goal, that is the RN.
  8. by   live4today
    Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur
    That's all very interesting.

    I was just thinking that I've never had an atheist tell me what they believe. On the other hand, I've had a whole bunch of people professing to be christian tell me what they believe and fall far from the teachings of Christ.

    And so how would I know if an invisible man in the sky and his son who lived 2000 years ago for a little over 30 years even exist. How do I know if this person who says they are a christian is actually of Christ ? I don't think that's possible.
    Peeps
    Peeps.....in answer to your above questions, I share this with you. Someone emailed it to me the other day, and I copied it to keep for my own personal use:

    It's titled "I Am A Christian".

    When I say..."I am a Christian"...I'm not shouting "I'm saved"...I'm whispering "I was lost". That is why I chose this way.

    When I say..."I am a Christian"...I don't speak of this with pride. I am confessing that I stumble and need someone to be my guide.

    When I say..."I am a Christian"...I'm not trying to be strong. I'm professing that I'm weak and pray for strength to carry on.

    When I say..."I am a Christian"...I'm not bragging of success. I'm admitting I have failed and cannot ever pay the debt.

    When I say..."I am a Christian"...I'm not claiming to be perfect...my flaws are all too visible, but God believes I am worth it.

    When I say..."I am a Christian"...I still feel the sting of pain. I have my share of headaches which is why I speak His Name.

    When I say..."I am a Christian"...I do not wish to judge...I have no authority. I only know I am loved. -- by Carol S. Wimmer :kiss
  9. by   crnasomeday
    I love that Cheerfuldoer!! I'm going to put that on my locker at work.
  10. by   Morguein
    Originally posted by Nurse Ker-Ker
    "It's just that it's kind of hard to respect someone who denounces Christianity as a "silly myth."
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    Did your teacher really say that? wow! That is unprofessional. I don't agree with teachers putting down the beliefs of others. If his/her comments really bother you, it may help to have a talk with your teacher. Good luck.

    Maria
  11. by   live4today
    Originally posted by crnasomeday
    I love that Cheerfuldoer!! I'm going to put that on my locker at work.
    It was my pleasure to share it with you all, and you may feel free to use it as much as you like anywhere you like. :kiss
  12. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    No real scientist would "denounce" anything without a hypothesis qualified by a well designed experiment.

    There is no such thing as "myth" in science.

    He sounds like a liberal arts major, not a scientist.

    My Anatomy prof was a "christian" but we discussed the connections that both sides have to eachother with scientific fervor. By the time that class was over we all had seen it from a diferent angle.

    That is what class is for.
  13. by   slinkeecat
    Like I would give a rat's A$$ what the instructor believes or not!!
    As long as I take the course and pass it, It's all good. I do not feel that you have to deal with him in any other capacity than to listen to his lectures study your book and pass A&P..... If you get an evaluation form after completion of the semester. then fill it out accordingly.... But, I would not even waste my time pondering the small stuff.... Just keep focused on the reason you are there.

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