Atheist Professers - page 17

:confused: Hi everyone! I'm kind of new here, and I have a question: Right now I'm in A&P and my professor is an all out atheist. I realized when I decided to go the nursing route I would... Read More

  1. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by Sarahstudent
    ..It is common knowledge among Christians that if you don't follow god, you're following the devil. This scares people away from someone like me. Lets say for a second that the devil has taken my soul. How come I feel like a good person? I think that what it really does is make people question their own belief system, if only for a second. It's a threat to Christian beliefs, to its foundation. My beliefs are not meant to threaten anyone. They are personal.
    This is exactly what I was talking about. A lot of christian sects are guilty of this. Catholics do not believe you are married in the eyes of God if you are not married in their church. The mormon, Brigham Young stated that anyone who was not white was an abomination of God and those not in the mormon faith would not be promised eternal life. Pentecostal's preach that without being "saved" you will go straight to hell, do not collect $200.

    I hate this way of thinking. "My religion is better than your's". Bull pooky.
  2. by   indeed
    Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur

    They are close to you.........you know them personaly. That is nothing like having faith in a God that you have never met(burning bush) that you have to have faith in.
    But according to your first response, it wasn't faith anyway. That point aside, you are right, it's not exactly the same. It is faith nonetheless. I will not spar with you about whose faith is more real or difficult or what have you.


    Spirituality? I think the general concept of spirituality would be for one to harbor belief in a god of some type. Of course, you could just rationalize spirituality as a feeling, but then that would be physical.
    Then perhaps spirituality was the wrong word to use, perhaps not. It's that part of humans, god or no god, that makes us philosophical beings and makes us care in the first place about our meaning and origins. A feeling is physical now? That deserves an explanation.


    A phenomenon is only observable physicaly. The example of previous cultures worshiping false gods was a good one for an example of how unexplained physical phenomenon can be rationalized into a belief in an unexplained(faith) god.
    There is no non-physical phenomenon. If it can't be registerd by the 5 senses, then it does not exist. What example of some occurence that is not physical can you give?
    The easiest example of this one that I have (an occurence at once both physical and not physical) is the whole "near death experience." Here you have many people saying, "Well, yeah I SAW that light and I HEARD those people and therefore, there must be an afterlife, a god, etc." (Note that this is simplified for the sake of space, already). These are people experiencing something with their senses that we have no actual proof of physically happening, more on par with a dream. For many of them, this kind of experience would prove god, because there is no other explanation for it, at this point. That is the kind of thing I was referring to. And I find it extremely telling when you say "If it can't be registered by the 5 senses, then it does not exist." Do you register fear with your five senses, Peeps? How about joy? Do neither of these things exist because we can't see, smell, touch, taste, or hear them?



    Our respective definitions of faith differ greatly.
    Aye, but I have a tendency to side with definitions that have a source outside of myself. I think it is, again, extremely telling that you choose to accept your definition, simply for the sake of argument, over an actual DEFINITION.


    Let me see if I understand what you're saying.

    1. You do not believe in not believing in God for lack of proof.

    2. You do believe that if there were an experiment to test the existence of God, it would be moot, because you don't believe there is a God

    3. You have no need to make examples of people mistaking unexplained phenomenon for a diety because you need no proof.
    1. No, some people don't believe simply because there is no proof of god. Some people believe that there never could be a proof (faith that there is no god). In my experience, the latter far outweigh the former.

    2. Correct. And as off base as that may sound, let's reverse it. To those of you who believe in god, if there was an experiment to test the existance of god and it turned out that, according to this experiment, god did not exist...would that change your beliefs? I somehow doubt it.

    3. That's fuzzy logic at best. Belief has to begin somewhere. For most people, true belief does not just pop up and stay in one form their entire lives. For many Atheists, certain realizations were made...the example I used, while hardly proof, is an example of, in my mind, just how many cards are stacked against the existence of god.


    When you see "in God we trust" on currency, that has an effect on you?
    When someone utters "one nation under God" from the Pledge you are affected?

    Do you feel attacked by it like you privacy as a citizen is violated?
    Yes, it most certainly effects all of us. Those two statements are collective statements of belief in god. If you believe in god, bully for you, and it's probably not going to effect you as much because your public life and support of your country is, at least on that front, perfectly aligned with the collective. But I don't trust in god, and I don't think patriotism should have a rider attached that states that god must be a part of it. That's as far as I'll go with that one...there is another thread on this board that addresses that issue at length. Go look at it for my full answers to those questions.

    Concession eh? Your response more than adequately reinforced what I was saying.

    Indeed.
  3. by   sbic56
    LasVegasRN

    You are so right in your observation that it is a few sects of Christianity that shed a dim light on the religion. Too many preach the words, but don't live by them in the least, in my experience. They twist and warp the bible into whatever suits them, making it slander everyone except these self-professed perfect Christians. Your explanation of how you choose to believe and behave as a Christian is a breath of fresh air. I know there are alot of Christians out there who practice in a similar manner as you. They respect others for their beliefs by not chastising and belittling them for believing differently than they do. Christianity is great, as is Judaism, as is Islam, Buddism, etc. All of the great religions are a source of great comfort or a tool to start wars. Man makes that choice.
  4. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by sbic56
    LasVegasRN

    You are so right in your observation that it is a few sects of Christianity that shed a dim light on the religion. Too many preach the words, but don't live by them in the least, in my experience. They twist and warp the bible into whatever suits them, making it slander everyone except these self-professed perfect Christians. Your explanation of how you choose to believe and behave as a Christian is a breath of fresh air. I know there are alot of Christians out there who practice in a similar manner as you. They respect others for their beliefs by not chastising and belittling them for believing differently than they do. Christianity is great, as is Judaism, as is Islam, Buddism, etc. All of the great religions are a source of great comfort or a tool to start wars. Man makes that choice.
    Thank you for understanding what I've been trying to say! I agree with you 100%!
  5. by   sbic56
    Spirituality? I think the general concept of spirituality would be for one to harbor belief in a god of some type. Of course, you could just rationalize spirituality as a feeling, but then that would be physical.

    Peeps

    Spirituality can be related to God(s). Spirituality can also be experienced in relation to metaphysical experiences. Some have their spirituality based in nature. Taoists seek answers to life's problems through inner meditation and outer observation. These are just a couple of examples of spirituality with no involvement of a god.
  6. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    you know we're all right.

    None of us are wrong.

    All we can do is twist and mince and repeat unto eternity.

    We cannot argue the existence of a gawd long enough to satisfy our flesh.
  7. by   micro
    This thread has been brought to my attention by a couple of threader friends........
    I will be honest.......
    I have been working too much this week and too much "real life funk".....that I cannot give a valid reply even from my brain at the moment.....this thread is a long one....
    and religion, lack of, God or not, this way or the highway.....
    well all my life.....I have dealt with this crap.......
    but as you can see at this late hour.........
    micro is far from intellectual thought...................

    ZAP!!!!!!!!!!!!


    but I will post another day.....beware of the micro soapbox coming your way.......to a you shouldn't discuss religion, politics or sex thread near you!!!!!!!!!
  8. by   mark_LD_RN
    the point of thread is not whether you believe or not. it is about whether or not the professor has a right to indocrinate students in class with his views. he should stick to the subject at hand. it may be ok to mention your beliefs but it should not go on long enough to make anyone feel uncomfortable. if a student is interested they can have a discussion or debate outside of the classroom.

    he needs to focus on teaching the materials related to the class at hand. no matter wht his views are. it would be equally as wrong for a professor to try and force his religous views on students.
  9. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    I've been a member of this board for a couple of years. I've had many arguments that deteriorated into semantics twisting, but then they ended.

    I have never had anybody, no matter how millitant in thier purpose, ever send me a PM with such hatred and language in it. I am shocked.

    Even in our all vanilla, PC world that can call meditation spirituality and curse the notion of a loving God and be praised for thier individuality, I am shocked that you would attack me in the PM system indeed and I am no longer going to give you a platform for your venom.
  10. by   indeed
    Hmmmm. Well, first I would like to say, bravo to you for not responding to me in private, and instead bringing it to this board (where it didn't belong, hence the PM) so that everyone could hear one side of the story. I shall reply in kind. I do not see how telling you what I told you in that PM could really be so shocking, but oh well. Next time, try posting these things to an appropriate thread or PM.

    Indeed.
  11. by   mark_LD_RN
    see thats what i am talking about !threads like these always deteriorate because people can not stick to the given topic and must try to convert others or change there minds. the post was about a professors actions in class not whether or not we believe in god or religon.that is a topic all by itself
  12. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    "What is agnosticism then?"

    The term 'agnosticism' was coined by Professor T.H. Huxley at a meeting of the Metaphysical Society in 1876. He defined an agnostic as someone who disclaimed both ("strong") atheism and theism, and who believed that the question of whether a higher power existed was unsolved and insoluble. Another way of putting it is that an agnostic is someone who believes that we do not and cannot know for sure whether God exists.
  13. by   sbic56
    mark_LD_RN

    With all due respect, except for the fact that the thread went off topic, I don't think any big travesty has occurred here. Perhaps, a new one should have been started for debate pruposes. Whenever a topic with religion or politics comes up there is bound to be some debate. I, for one, think it is great, so long as it is kept civil and doesn't become a pissing contest. My 2 cents.

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