What do you think??? - page 4

Hi all, I came across a situation the other day and was wondering if anyone else might have an opinion on this subject. I am in nusing school and one of my classmates is from Korea. Now being a... Read More

  1. by   JBudd
    Galaxy,
    when I was in school (many loonng years ago :chuckle ), I had difficulty studying for some exams in nursing, and it wasn't until a classmate took me aside and had me study with her roommates and herself, that I really started getting it down well enough. And yes, English is my first language!

    So, here's a thought, invite her to study with you sometimes, the best way to learn something is to teach it. It may well benefit you, in really grounding your knowledge solidly, and help her. Start maybe, with just going over class notes together, see if you both took the same notes, and go from there.

    The only med errors I would worry about would be on verbal orders, and she already sounds like she asks until she really understands something. The written stuff is easily looked up, and you said she was using a translator...
  2. by   rambisisking
    Quote from JBudd
    Galaxy,
    when I was in school (many loonng years ago :chuckle ), I had difficulty studying for some exams in nursing, and it wasn't until a classmate took me aside and had me study with her roommates and herself, that I really started getting it down well enough. And yes, English is my first language!

    So, here's a thought, invite her to study with you sometimes, the best way to learn something is to teach it. It may well benefit you, in really grounding your knowledge solidly, and help her. Start maybe, with just going over class notes together, see if you both took the same notes, and go from there.

    The only med errors I would worry about would be on verbal orders, and she already sounds like she asks until she really understands something. The written stuff is easily looked up, and you said she was using a translator...



    You people are just down right wonderful...........
    I have worked for so many years in this astounding world of nursing and I have frankly have started to become disgusted with so many who call themselves nurses. I have been up reading many sites from the forum tonight even though I have to be at work in 4 hours. I want to thank you all for restoring my faith that there are truly good people working in this profession. Everything I have read has come from an interested caring point of view. I can't tell you how my heart swells to read true concerns for other human beings, and replies from other truly caring human beings. Where are you guys and why don't you work with me? This has been truly heart warming, and to you gallaxy-How wonderful that you care, both about your classmate and about the many people that she may care for in the future. I agree that It would be a good thing to bring her into your circle and assist her as you would anyone who needs help. Hats off to you all. Always remember and keep on promoting that we all belong to each other, somewhere along the way many of us have forgotten that.
  3. by   jeepgirl
    I think you should give her a chance. It sounds like she has worked extra hard to get into the program and succeed. She doesn't need naysayers trying to hold her back.


    Think of the determination she must have to even attempt nursing school here with english as a second language. She has to work twice as hard at everything she does to get where she is when it comes to studying and clinicals. Do you think YOU could do it? I know I couldn't even fathom going to an asian country and going to nursing school... I'd have a break down, not to mention that I would fail miserably. Give the girl a break.
  4. by   galaxy781
    Quote from jeepgirl
    I think you should give her a chance. It sounds like she has worked extra hard to get into the program and succeed. She doesn't need naysayers trying to hold her back.


    Think of the determination she must have to even attempt nursing school here with english as a second language. She has to work twice as hard at everything she does to get where she is when it comes to studying and clinicals. Do you think YOU could do it? I know I couldn't even fathom going to an asian country and going to nursing school... I'd have a break down, not to mention that I would fail miserably. Give the girl a break.
    No one is giving her a hard time. I assume when you say "naysayers" you are talking about me? No one in my class including me has done anything to "hold her back"! I already said I know that i could not do it...its only a week into my class and I am trying!! Despite my 10 hour school day I am trying to talk to this girl and arrange some study time with her, that is if she wants to. I thought I made my self very clear when I said "I wish the best for this girl and hope she succeeds" or that i'm not trying to hinder her in any way, I just wanted to know what you guys thought about her and if she could be a nurse with such a large language barrier. I feel like everyone thinks i'm saying that this girl shouldnt be a nurse or she is incapable, I never meant that, i was only worried!!! I know that she has to work twice as hard, in fact I think that I said something to that effect in an earlier post, and I think I also said if the situation was reversed I would find it very difficult! Copy and pasted from one of my earlier posts:

    "This is such a tricky subject...I think if the situation were reversed and I was in a foreign county trying to be a nurse, I would find it to be very difficult....I would worry all the time that I wasnt understanding everything...i mean it could be such a simple mistake but in the medical field simple mistakes can sometimes lead to catastophes..."Not in any way am trying to say this individual shouldnt be a nurse..in fact i'm happy that the nursing field is growing more diverse and hope the best for her...just wondering if any of you had run into this particular situation and how those students did or are doing now?"

    Sorry im not trying to start an argument but I just want to say this one more time to make sure its clear: I hope this girl does great, i hope she becomes a great nurse, i hope the best for her, i hope she becomes fluent and is very rewarded in her career, i hope that i will have some time that i can get to know her, i would never do anything to hinder her from achieving her goal.
    Last edit by galaxy781 on Apr 26, '05
  5. by   CHATSDALE
    OP has some valid points 1. it is difficult for fellow students who are trying to get so much material 2. if you are in a different culture it is up to you to adapt 3. i have worked with doctors whom i literally had to interpret to patients/family members if you work with someone you get to the language barrier is not as much a problem b/c you learn their 'english' but a md should be able to be understood after years of being here
    4. encourage the Korean student not to use korean in talk with fellow korean students or family...total immerision is really the only way to really learn a language
    i really believe that this student has the potential to be a good nurse...much harder to do as a second language when it is a already difficult task as it is

    FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH YOUNG CHILDREN...ENCOURAGE A SECOND LANGUAGE OR ANY KIND....WILL ALWAYS BE HELPFUL
  6. by   galaxy781
    Quote from CHATSDALE
    OP has some valid points 1. it is difficult for fellow students who are trying to get so much material 2. if you are in a different culture it is up to you to adapt 3. i have worked with doctors whom i literally had to interpret to patients/family members if you work with someone you get to the language barrier is not as much a problem b/c you learn their 'english' but a md should be able to be understood after years of being here
    4. encourage the Korean student not to use korean in talk with fellow korean students or family...total immerision is really the only way to really learn a language
    i really believe that this student has the potential to be a good nurse...much harder to do as a second language when it is a already difficult task as it is

    FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH YOUNG CHILDREN...ENCOURAGE A SECOND LANGUAGE OR ANY KIND....WILL ALWAYS BE HELPFUL
    i would really like to learn a foreign language, i took latin in highschool/college, when i get 2 seconds i think that i will...i hear spanish is the best bc there are so many spanish speaking americans...anyway, i agree, i think the best way to become fluent is to become immersed...thats why when i noticed she notated in korean i was kind of confused, but to each their own, maybe that just helps her learn, who knows.
  7. by   galaxy781
    Quote from rambisisking
    You people are just down right wonderful...........
    I have worked for so many years in this astounding world of nursing and I have frankly have started to become disgusted with so many who call themselves nurses. I have been up reading many sites from the forum tonight even though I have to be at work in 4 hours. I want to thank you all for restoring my faith that there are truly good people working in this profession. Everything I have read has come from an interested caring point of view. I can't tell you how my heart swells to read true concerns for other human beings, and replies from other truly caring human beings. Where are you guys and why don't you work with me? This has been truly heart warming, and to you gallaxy-How wonderful that you care, both about your classmate and about the many people that she may care for in the future. I agree that It would be a good thing to bring her into your circle and assist her as you would anyone who needs help. Hats off to you all. Always remember and keep on promoting that we all belong to each other, somewhere along the way many of us have forgotten that.
    AWW THANKS i too find myself here in these forums when i have two seconds lol so i know the feeling.... i agree, i want to help her, i moved my seat so that we can sit next to eachother....i have to admit she does intrigue me as I am asian as well but grew up in Ohio not ever being in touch with my culture...so im hoping that our next conversation will go a little smoother language wise...no one else in my class is making an effort so maybe ill try to set up a class study group..
  8. by   fergus51
    Just my opinion, but TOTAL immersion isn't a good thing. I've been in her shoes and having a break each day where I could speak English was a really important thing. Few people realize how hard it is to constantly be struggling in another language. The break helped refresh me to learn the other language better. I know that's not the ideal answer, but it really helped me to survive. If she needs to notate in Korean right now, that could actually be a good thing because it means she understands the material well enough to put it into her own language. Better that than writing down English notes that she may or may not understand.
  9. by   galaxy781
    Quote from fergus51
    Just my opinion, but TOTAL immersion isn't a good thing. I've been in her shoes and having a break each day where I could speak English was a really important thing. Few people realize how hard it is to constantly be struggling in another language. The break helped refresh me to learn the other language better. I know that's not the ideal answer, but it really helped me to survive. If she needs to notate in Korean right now, that could actually be a good thing because it means she understands the material well enough to put it into her own language. Better that than writing down English notes that she may or may not understand.

    good point, what is your original language? i see you are pretty fluent, how long did it take you, if you dont mind me asking? any suggestions on what i can do to help my classmate that will be most effective in helping her learn the language?
  10. by   fergus51
    Quote from galaxy781
    good point, what is your original language? i see you are pretty fluent, how long did it take you, if you dont mind me asking? any suggestions on what i can do to help my classmate that will be most effective in helping her learn the language?
    Oh no, my first language is English and then French (I took both at school until I graduated). I thought being billingual, that learning languages was pretty easy and I never understood how people could live here and not learn English well. Then I was an exchange student after high school and lived with a family in the europe who spoke almost no English. I took courses to learn the language and was pretty immersed. It took me a good year to be able to communicate well, and I still had a strong accent and pretty poor grammar (slavic languages are really hard! Polish, Czech, Slovak all have really complex grammar rules). Until I did that, I really had no idea how hard it is to learn a new language as an adult. You can't imagine how exhausting and frustrating it is to spend so much energy on communication. I've never had more headaches in my life! There is no way to really understand it unless you have done it before. I was lucky that an American lived in my town and we became friends. It gave me a much needed break. If I didn't have some chance to speak English I would have gone nuts.

    I think the best thing for learning a new language is practice in conversation. Just going out to the pub with friends is what worked best for me
  11. by   Cassinia
    I've been in nursing for many years and everytime there's a nursing shortage, there are more nurses coming to this country from other countries. I have had to deal with many nurses who are not fluent with English. And, being hearing impaired, it made it that much more difficult for me. And, yes, there were problems w/doctors and patients understanding them. Some patients would request not to have the foreign nurses take care of them because of the communication barrier. I've seen doctors complain to head nurses and DONs because the nurses couldn't understand them to take the orders. And, late at night, the md doesn't want to be on the phone repeating himself a number of times (I speak from experience).

    Anyway, we're in a nursing shortage so expect to see all kinds of students, and nurses, from other countries. It's just the way it is. All I can say, having problems myself in school because of the hearing loss, is be patient with her, help her as much as you can, and try to include her in other activities not school related. A person can learn a lot of English in outside activites.

    And, by the way, there's English and American English, which is harder to learn since our language doesn't follow rules as strictly as English. Face it, we're a country of mixed breeds and our language shows this. :chuckle

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