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No. 10
from Jolie
Old Feb 08, 2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BradleyRN View Post
Of course there will never be an admission to this link, though they have phased out the use of Thimerosal. If there were truly no issue, why then would they halt it's use?
If it were truly an issue, why didn't rates of autism drop when thimerosal was removed from vaccines?

From WebMD: Thimerosal Down but Autism Rising
Removal of Mercury From Child Vaccines Fails to Halt Autism Increase
Jan. 7, 2008 -- Autism rates continue to go up despite removal of thimerosal, which contains a form of mercury, from nearly all child vaccines, California data show.

The finding adds to a growing body of evidence against the " thimerosal hypothesis." The hypothesis holds that vaccines using thimerosal as a preservative -- given to children or their mothers -- causes autism.

As a precautionary measure, by March 2001 thimerosal was removed (except for trace amounts) from all recommended infant vaccines. The only childhood vaccines that still contain more than trace amounts of thimerosal are multiple-dose vials of some flu vaccines.

An early look at data from California suggested that removal of thimerosal might have led to a decline in autism. But now an updated look at the data by the California Department of Public Health shows that there was no such decline.

"We are reassured that we found no link between routine childhood vaccination and increases in childhood autism in the data," California DPH Medical Officer Robert Schechter, MD, tells WebMD. "But the finding that there are increasing numbers of kids who need services is not reassuring. We support efforts to find preventable causes of autism."...

full article: http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/ne...-autism-rising
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No. 11
Old Feb 08, 2009, 07:36 PM

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Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a vaccine education site www.vaccine.chop.edu They do research about vaccines and do not accept money form drug companies. (not sure why my font changed color) They have some interesting articles and info. I even get a newsletter from them.
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No. 12
Old Feb 08, 2009, 08:25 PM

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Hi, I don't think it's just Thimerosal. It's the aluminum and the amount of vaccines given. I haven't found any studies done on all vaccines, the only ones I have found were done with just a few vaccines. I believe that only one aluminum containing vaccine should be given at a time. Heavy metal poisoning is very similar to autism. Check out Stephanie Cave, M.D. and Robert Sears, M.D. Dr. Cave works with children who fall within the autism spectrum. Once she puts them on a heavy metal detox, they improve tremendously. I also have a friend who has been struggling with her daughter who has selective mutism. Just a couple of months ago, she put her daughter on a heavy metal detox and she has fully recovered... 100%. Just weeks prior, she was starting to pull away from her own father, now she is the life of the party and center of attention. It's not just one ingredient, it's several. I give my kids one vaccine at a time and my ped. is totally supportive. He agrees with me that too many vaccines are given. Infants and toddlers cannot metabolize the ingredients fast enough because there is just to much... this slowly poisons them.
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No. 13
from zenman
Old Feb 08, 2009, 08:30 PM

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I got this from a physician...and father (paraphrased):

MMR has never had thimersol and you can get vacinations today which are 100% free of thimersol. But, let's say thimersol was in every vaccine. If every vaccine had 25mcg/0.5ml of ethylmercury (in thimersol) that would be approx 25 vaccinations by age 5. 25 x 25mcg is 625 mcg.

Now compare that with the amount of ethylmercury in fish:
Tuna 380 mcg in 2.2 pounds
Snapper 170 mcg
Lobster 170 mcg
Tile Fish 1145 mcg

Now if a child ate 8 ounces of Tuna per week from age 3 to 5, that would be about 90 mcg per week or 4680 mcg per year of a total of 9320mcg over the 2 year period.

So, it is very clear that eating fish causes autism. Oh wait a minute, the body is more than capable of handling it.
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No. 14
from BradleyRN
Old Feb 08, 2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie View Post
If it were truly an issue, why didn't rates of autism drop when thimerosal was removed from vaccines?
I do not disagree with your findings, which is why i can only direct you to my second post in this thread:
Originally Posted by BradleyRN View Post
My research is several years old, and comes only from memory. I condemned Thimerosal then, but today would only suggest listening to the parents who noticed changes in their infants behavior after immunizations. There are THOUSANDS of them. If Thimerosal is not the culprit, perhaps the numerous number of vaccines are. In any case, when i have a child, he/she will neither receive so many immunizations so close together nor Thimerosal.
However, i will say that the science behind this controversy is divided.

On April 19, 2007, Dr. Larry L. Needham, Chief, Organic Analytical Toxicology Branch, CDC, announced to the US National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine that Thimerosal was among the "Chemicals Linked to ASD."
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/69427.php
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No. 15
Old Feb 08, 2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jode View Post
This is a very controversial topic.

http://www.immunize.org
Not from a scientific viewpoint, it isn't.
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No. 16
Old Feb 08, 2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BradleyRN View Post
I believe there is certainly a link between the mercury preservative Thimerosal and autism. Thimerosal began it's widespread use in 1978, and 80% of autism cases were born after 1980. The thousands of parents that have claimed behavior changes in their children shortly after immunizations is enough evidence to warrant caution. Of course there will never be an admission to this link, though they have phased out the use of Thimerosal. If there were truly no issue, why then would they halt it's use?
Conversely, if thimerosal were a factor, why is the rate of autism steady after its phasing out?

1980 correlates with many things. For instance, that's about the time all the baby boomers had their children. Cable television, HFCS instead of sugar, all sorts of drastic lifestyle changes at that time combined with better and more popular diagnostics.
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No. 17
from TomLM
Old Feb 08, 2009, 11:18 PM

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The connection is doubtful. here's an excerpt from a recent posting that has some background links.

"The guy who pushed the idea is a crackpot who was paid £400,000 to do the research by a group of lawyers who wanted to sue vaccine companies. Takedowns are everywhere in the science community: his research cannot be replicated and a review of his notes shows that he simply made up data from time to time. Here are a couple of good posts to get you started:"
This continues with links at:
http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2009...-cause-autism/

Tom
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No. 18
Old Feb 15, 2009, 09:42 AM

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Mercury is still in certain vaccines. Check out the CDC website, it's still listed as one of the ingredients.
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No. 19
Old Feb 15, 2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CrunchyMama View Post
Mercury is still in certain vaccines. Check out the CDC website, it's still listed as one of the ingredients.
Here's a table:

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

No vaccine contains more than 25 mcg / 0.5 mL of mercury, and most of those are various tetanus preparations not typically used in pediatrics or in multi-dose flu vials (single dosing is far more common these days).

For context, typical tuna can contain up to and over 1 ppm of mercury, which is 1 mg per Kg, a fair bit higher than 25 mcg.
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