Socialized Medicine the myths and the facts

Having worked in a country which has socialized medicine I can certainly see the pit falls and the benefits. What I don't understand is the fear behind having socialized medicine In my opinion socialized medicine has more positive benefits than negative benefits. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

The first and the most obvious concern is the cost to the patient and their family, we all know how devastating an illness can be for patients and their family many times I have witnessed the despair when a diagnoses meant further treatment which insurances question and in some cases wont cover. I have seen patients needing costly drugs to keep them alive and being unable to afford them, causing repeated admissions to repair the damage so called none compliance has caused. The first question in none compliance is were the pts actually refusing to take their medication or was it simply they could not afford to buy their medication because they don't have enough money and other bills need to be paid first? If the real reason is the cost then surely it would be more simple of we provided these medications at a more effective price or that all medications cost $5 no matter what they had? Outrageous I hear you shout but the cost of the repeated admission is far more costly than by helping prevent a repeat admission, by providing medicine they can afford.

How about blood tests could these not be done in the doctors office before the pt leaves for home and forgets to go and have a blood draw, or simply cannot get to the lab to have them drawn. I have personally waited in doctors office hours (and paid for the privilege) then been sent to the lab, miles away to sit and wait for blood work to be done. Why could the doctors not employ somebody to be at the office to draw blood on patients?

We should be looking at improving preventative medicine rather than patch it up and see.

Many times I have seen patients discharged with a new diagnoses of diabetes, no follow up at home can be organised because in my city nothing exists to assist these people. There should be a diabetic home nurse who monitors these patients in their own home-rationale, this would again help prevent admissions for diabetic complications, and none compliance.

So you wonder what has this got to do with socialized medicine. Well, in the UK if you have...

  • Children
  • Over 60 for women and over 65 for men
  • Diabetes
  • Asthma
  • Thyroid problems, etc...

...then you get all your medicines for free.

There are in place specialized RN's who focus is on preventative care in the community. There are telephone help lines which anybody can utilize for free.

Maternity care is free a midwife will be assigned to you for the duration of your pregnancy and up to 6 weeks later. The cost of the birth-nothing no matter how you deliver.

I have been asked what kind of care do you receive in a socialized medicine country and I ask them, I am a product of socialized medicine you tell me how my care differs from nurses who have paid outrageous amounts of money to train as a nurse?

Of course even in the UK you can have private care if you chose to pay, this is an advantage if you need hip replacements, knee replacements, eye surgeries-other wise you may have to wait. There are initiatives in place to reduce waiting times for surgeries in the NHS and I hear that dr's can now book surgeries from their office at hospitals all over the UK which helps reduce waiting times, plus hospitals get fined if they don't meet their quota.

I agree MRI's and CT's are not as freely available, but again initiatives are in place to improve the waiting times. Emergency care no different all patients will receive emergency care.

Poor conditions yes there are poor hospitals and there are excellent hospitals, no different to Phoenix AZ.

Questions??

Specializes in CTICU.

So as suspected, they likely told her there'd be a long wait for non-emergent treatment [obviously non-emergent if "rescue squad" (?ambulance or lifeguards) also did not feel a trip to hospital was called for] and probably advised her not to wait, but to go to a GP? That is a long way from "refused treatment". There are any number of GP clinics in the telephone book who take paying customers.

Have you even been to Australia? It really is not some no-technology, no-clean-water, need-air-evac-from, podunk place with limited access to (terrible) care, such as you seem to think. It's a shame that your daughter's reported experience has given you such a misguided impression.

Sorry it is hard to type with the chip on my shoulder and limited comprehension. My daughter did not refuse treatment, she trusted the system that failed her. I do not know what a GP is ?

I guess we have to agree to disagree , but to send a foreign girl who sprained an ankle in the water and had to pulled out, instead of being evaluated by a doctor is unacceptable. To be told that there is no guarantee that one would ever be seen or take your name to wait .....is refusing to see a patient.

Specializes in ICU, MS, Radiology, Long term care.

Maybe, we should look at the root of our system - capitalism. I could be playing devil's advocate, but maybe a different perspective is needed. Or, at least a review of what our economic system is based.

"The initial argument that Marx must have thought that capitalism is unjust is based on the observation that Marx argued that all capitalist profit is ultimately derived from the exploitation of the worker. Capitalism's dirty secret is that it is not a realm of harmony and mutual benefit but a system in which one class systematically extracts profit from another. How could this fail to be unjust?" Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

Specializes in Med/Surg/Ortho/HH/Radiology-Now Retired.

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as you can see, australia really is a big country.

somewhere in this country, a person in need of medical attention can and does access quality healthcare.

that your daughter failed to pursue, until satisfied, the care she required, is not the failing of, nor a reflection on, the excellent, available, accessible, worlds best practise, healthcare, which this country is renown for.

again, it's regrettable she had her perceived experience, and as an australian who has worked all her adult life in the nursing profession in this magnificent country, one who knows well how it works here, i sincerely feel sorry for that.

however, to publicly denigrate a system, one which you yourself personally have no firsthand experience with, but are making judgements based on what you were told by your daughter, and lets not forget that magic word ... perception, ... i believe you are being unfairly prejudiced in your assertions.

yes, we have a universal healthcare system here. we have public hospitals. we also have private hospitals, with emergency departments. we have walk in/walk out clinics. we have gp's ( general practioners) in private practise. we have the world class royal flying doctor service - http://www.flyingdoctor.net/ we have standard operating procedures/guidelines within each and every one of these organisations/facilities, and refusing a patient who seeks care is not one of them.

as i wrote previously, it's regrettable that your daughter feels she was not accorded the care or attention she was seeking. it's indeed unfortunate she required surgery. no-one wishes that for anyone. but without knowing the full and inclusive facts of what transpired, from both sides, it's inappropriate to publicly critisize or make allegations unless you yourself were actually physically present and witnessed for yourself what unfolded in this situation.

without prejudice ..............

i wish you and your daughter all the best.

Have you seen that line of people trying to get out of the USA so that they can live in Europe ?

.....................Me either ! One heck of a line trying to get IN here FROM Europe though !

We will see if this one posts !

Specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.
Have you seen that line of people trying to get out of the USA so that they can live in Europe ?

.....................Me either ! One heck of a line trying to get IN here FROM Europe though !

We will see if this one posts !

Maybe you should pop over to the international section and read some of the posts in there then, there seems to be quite a few nurses in the US who would love to work in Europe.

Lived here for 50 years.......Been a nurse for 35.................Never heard of one going to Europe for a nursing job.

Please show me one !

Specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.
Lived here for 50 years.......Been a nurse for 35.................Never heard of one going to Europe for a nursing job.

Please show me one !

Of course

https://allnurses.com/united-kingdom-uk/us-uk-nursing-372855.html

https://allnurses.com/united-kingdom-uk/us-nursing-student-379887.html

https://allnurses.com/united-kingdom-uk/accelerated-bsn-eligible-341984.html

That's just the first page on the UK forums

Not one of these people that you listed are currently working in Europe. Who know how soon they will be back here. American hospitals have thousands upon thousands of people who came THROUGH Europe or FROM Europe,crossed an ocean,traversed immigration,started in jobs way below their education and experience.........all to work in an American hospital. I personally have met many. Why would you do all of that ? I have asked.

More OPPORTUNITY for ME AND MY CHILDREN ! Walk into any hospital in the US and you can meet them too.

I did look at your blog Sherrie. You seem to be a great person and a great nurse. You should come to the US to work. We snatch up good help as quickly as we find it...........no government red tape involved !

Specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.
Not one of these people that you listed are currently working in Europe. Who know how soon they will be back here. American hospitals have thousands upon thousands of people who came THROUGH Europe or FROM Europe,crossed an ocean,traversed immigration,started in jobs way below their education and experience.........all to work in an American hospital. I personally have met many. Why would you do all of that ? I have asked.

More OPPORTUNITY for ME AND MY CHILDREN ! Walk into any hospital in the US and you can meet them too.

I think you need to read Lauritasols account a little more carefully, she is a US citizen who is currently working in the UK, there are plenty of others that want to come and work here in those links

Additionally, from personal experience, I am a recruiter in the NHS and I regularly get applications from US nurses to come and work in my area in the UK. Their reasons for wanting to come, opportunity for myself and my family, and to experience other cultures.

I am not saying that people don't travel and want to work in the US, personally it's not something I would ever want to do, I have ample opportunity and an excellent standard of living here in the UK. Do you honestly believe that there are not US nurses who don't want to travel and work in Europe.

Specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.
I did look at your blog Sherrie. You seem to be a great person and a great nurse. You should come to the US to work. We snatch up good help as quickly as we find it...........no government red tape involved !

That's really kind but as I've just posted I love my job, I love where I live and I have a really good life here so couldn't think of anything worse than uprooting and living anywhere other than here. :D