So you thought your ER experience was bad? - this is long but certainly ices the cake - page 2

For anyone who has ever moaned or cried about substandard care in an ER; anyone concerned about the area of pain management(or lack of), etc. -- You need to read my personal account with both. A... Read More

  1. by   ginger58
    I feel very sad for some of the replies to your thread SK-222.
    1. " I do not think it is fair for anyone on this site to make negative comments against other healthcare workers based on what they hear from someone. In other words if I wasn't there I do not feel I have a right to comment on someone elses performance. This site is for healthcare professionals to speak to one another abut issues related to work and life in general." I don't think she's asking you to comment on the HC workers and as a HC person she is speaking to others about a life changing event. She wants HC workers to think about her situation and help prevent this from happening in our own places of employment.
    2. "My impression of your incident was that you weren't very assertive about your situation. I would have done the following things differently had I been in your shoes (or at least I think I would have):" Easy for you to make this list but you aren't her. You didn't fall 25 feet onto ice and you didn't lay in agony for 8 hours waiting for the ER doc. I think less judgment is in order.
    I feel bad that anyone has been treated like this any where. Now you're supposed to show up in an ambulance to be taken seriously?? What happened to believing a patient's report of pain? I'm beginning to think that a lot of ER docs don't have a clue about managing pain.
    3. "i'm not understanding the benefit of losing your x-rays.
    if anything, it makes it look even more negligent by not having the proper diagnostics available, to coincide with your dx of back sprain.
    i think there could be different reasons as to why you didn't get the tx you felt you deserved... and I'm also convinced by hanging on to these negative feelings, you're only adding to your current pain level. imo, it would help you tremendously to focus on your recovery with positive, optimistic thoughts." This last sentence reminds me of the person who tells a depressed person not to sit around all day feeling sorry for themselves. SK-222 is a person that had a severe fall/injury and will probably live with chronic pain possibly resulting in unemployment or change in profession.
    The X-rays probably went missing because she didn't have muscle strain and the first ER doc wanted to CHA in case of a lawsuit, which I hope there is.
    Please, let's show some compassion and less judgmental comments.
  2. by   caroladybelle
    Who is judging whom????
  3. by   Cattitude
    Quote from ginger58
    i feel very sad for some of the replies to your thread sk-222.
    1. " i do not think it is fair for anyone on this site to make negative comments against other healthcare workers based on what they hear from someone. in other words if i wasn't there i do not feel i have a right to comment on someone elses performance. this site is for healthcare professionals to speak to one another abut issues related to work and life in general." i don't think she's asking you to comment on the hc workers and as a hc person she is speaking to others about a life changing event. she wants hc workers to think about her situation and help prevent this from happening in our own places of employment.
    2. "my impression of your incident was that you weren't very assertive about your situation. i would have done the following things differently had i been in your shoes (or at least i think i would have):" easy for you to make this list but you aren't her. you didn't fall 25 feet onto ice and you didn't lay in agony for 8 hours waiting for the er doc. i think less judgment is in order.
    i feel bad that anyone has been treated like this any where. now you're supposed to show up in an ambulance to be taken seriously?? what happened to believing a patient's report of pain? i'm beginning to think that a lot of er docs don't have a clue about managing pain.
    3. "i'm not understanding the benefit of losing your x-rays.
    if anything, it makes it look even more negligent by not having the proper diagnostics available, to coincide with your dx of back sprain.
    i think there could be different reasons as to why you didn't get the tx you felt you deserved... and i'm also convinced by hanging on to these negative feelings, you're only adding to your current pain level. imo, it would help you tremendously to focus on your recovery with positive, optimistic thoughts." this last sentence reminds me of the person who tells a depressed person not to sit around all day feeling sorry for themselves. sk-222 is a person that had a severe fall/injury and will probably live with chronic pain possibly resulting in unemployment or change in profession.
    the x-rays probably went missing because she didn't have muscle strain and the first er doc wanted to cha in case of a lawsuit, which i hope there is.
    please, let's show some compassion and less judgmental comments.
    you know what, we get to show compassion every day at work. and probably a whole lot more with our families and friends again after work.
    so now we have to show some more to a stranger in a forum because they show up with a saga from years ago, about a bad er experience?
    the op does not even identify themself as a nurse or nsg. student. as someone stated, this site is for nurses (and yes i know other health care staff join in) to discuss nursing issues. it's not for pt's to unload their bad nurse/dr. stories.
    i have compassion, i have empathy, but good grief at the end of the day i want my turn. i give and give and give as we all do. is it too much to ask for a little breather sometimes??

    so no, i don't feel we're judging. the op should have realized, when you jump on a forum with a bunch of nurses and then complain about nursing care..well, you might not like all the responses but no one here has been nasty. i think the suggestions posted were great and would have gotten the op much better treatment.
    patients must be their own advocates! in the er, in the dr's office, as an inpatient, wherever, you must speak up if you do npot feel you are getting proper care, plain and simple. what is so judgemental about that?
  4. by   MomNRN
    Quote from casbeezgirlrn
    you know what, we get to show compassion every day at work. and probably a whole lot more with our families and friends again after work.
    so now we have to show some more to a stranger in a forum because they show up with a saga from years ago, about a bad er experience?
    the op does not even identify themself as a nurse or nsg. student. as someone stated, this site is for nurses (and yes i know other health care staff join in) to discuss nursing issues. it's not for pt's to unload their bad nurse/dr. stories.
    i have compassion, i have empathy, but good grief at the end of the day i want my turn. i give and give and give as we all do. is it too much to ask for a little breather sometimes??

    so no, i don't feel we're judging. the op should have realized, when you jump on a forum with a bunch of nurses and then complain about nursing care..well, you might not like all the responses but no one here has been nasty. i think the suggestions posted were great and would have gotten the op much better treatment.
    patients must be their own advocates! in the er, in the dr's office, as an inpatient, wherever, you must speak up if you do npot feel you are getting proper care, plain and simple. what is so judgemental about that?

    i agree with the above. when i started reading the op, i wondered what is the intent of the post? it happened in 2001.

    i am extremely tired of hearing how mean and cruel the er nurses are!:angryfire
  5. by   charebec65
    Quote from rn/writer
    i have never run across a medical malpractice attorney who expected any kind of a retainer. this is not standard practice. in fact, many tv markets are loaded with commercials stating that they don't earn a dime unless they win an award for their clients. then they take a percentage, which can range from 25% to 33%.

    number 1, i'd never hire some ambulance chaser that feels the need to advertise on tv. i'd call the state bar association and ask about reputable attorneys that do medical malpractice. secondly, while lawyers do advertise this, what many laypeople don't realize is that these attorneys don't work for free. even if you lose, you're still expected to pay any expenses incurred by the firm for your case. depositions, medical record copies, expert witnesses, etc. get quite expensive and the lawyers are not going to eat those expenses.

    perhaps you should look further into whether the statute of limitations has indeed been reached. this is something you would want to be certain about before writing off your chances.

    i don't know what state the op is in but ohio has a 2 year s/l. i would imagine that that's fairly standard.

    the first consultation should be free. at that time, the attorney will assess the validity of your claim and decide what kind of monetary damages would be likely. after all, they aren't going to put hours of time and effort into a case that has small payoff potential. if a case has merit and seems worthwhile financially, they will then begin the lengthy process of litigating on the client's behalf.

    yep....

    .
    i would tend to agree with whomever suggested finding a pain clinic. good luck.
  6. by   DaFreak71
    As unfair as it may sound, patients (us included) have a responsibility to be advocates for their own care. Gone are the days when patients blindly follow advice despite having major doubts about the quality of care they are receiving. What may sound like victim blaming to one person, is acually an invitation for all of us to feel empowered by declaring ourselves the stewards of our own lives and health.

    I assumed the OP is a health care professional because of how adamant she was about seeing an abnormal x-ray and realizing that the dosages of morphine and vicodin were considered low for those types of injuries.
  7. by   Batman24
    I am so sorry for your pain. Perhaps your experience will be a lesson to others in the future.

    And you shouldn't be paying a retainer for a malpractice attorney. They will listen to your experience and then decide whether you have a case or not. If you do then you will sigh a contract giving them the standard fee of a third of whatever is won.
  8. by   adrienurse
    being given 2 vicodins and several mgs of morphine is inadequate pain control?
  9. by   LeahJet
    I'll start off saying that I am sorry the OP has gone through so much. Chronic pain is terrible to have to live with.

    THAT being said.........

    You know, I am quite tired of all the ER bashing that goes on. No other area in HC gets as bad a rap as the ER.
    Everyone just loves jumping on the bandwagon and telling their horror story.

    Makes you wonder if people don't already have a major chip on their shoulder when they walk through the door. It's really easy to find fault when you try so hard to look for it.
  10. by   chenoaspirit
    There are good and bad in all ER's. I think the OP needed to vent out some feelings and allow us to see both sides. We need to take that into consideration...what we can learn from her story. From reading the post, she obviously has a wealth of medical knowledge. I also had a bad experience in an ER, due to the negligence, my son died. I am not going to get into the story, but I have experienced ER from both sides...as a patient and as a nurse. There are incompetent physicians and incompetent nurses as well as good. It is unfortunate to encounter the bad ones, but its a fact that some do. I am sorry you went through this and I wish you all the best.
  11. by   Schatzi RN CEN
    Quote from adrienurse
    being given 2 vicodins and several mgs of morphine is inadequate pain control?
    It can be inadequate for an injury such as the one described in this post.
  12. by   vamedic4
    Quote from LeahJet
    I'll start off saying that I am sorry the OP has gone through so much. Chronic pain is terrible to have to live with.

    THAT being said.........

    You know, I am quite tired of all the ER bashing that goes on. No other area in HC gets as bad a rap as the ER.
    Everyone just loves jumping on the bandwagon and telling their horror story.

    Makes you wonder if people don't already have a major chip on their shoulder when they walk through the door. It's really easy to find fault when you try so hard to look for it.

    While I certainly respect LeahJet's opinion, I must point out that those of you who work in the ER are sometimes the first to see the patient. Something you're taught very early in paramedic school is that we are responding to "someone else's emergency", meaning that it may not be anything major to us...because many of us have "been there" and "treated that"...but to the PATIENT?? Sometimes it is truly a traumatic event, no matter how minor it may seem, and we absolutely have to respect that.

    One day long ago we got a call to an "pet bite, child"...and when we got there we saw a 3 year old with a snapping turtle hanging from his lip and dad with his hands around the turtle's neck in an attempt to choke it...I don't think I ever laughed so hard in my life up to that point.

    Like I said, it may not be YOUR emergency...but it is THEIRS.
    Everyone who works in the ER needs to keep something in mind. Aside from a few forgettable paramedics/EMTs, you all are the one's that are going to stick in their minds - for better or worse. If you give good care, you stand a much better chance of being praised and remembered for it. I know that most people out there aren't the ER bashing type, they're just people who need to be cared for. We, as health care providers, have the responsibility to see to it that they get the care they deserve.

    And perhaps the ER wouldn't get such a bad rap if the things that DID go wrong didn't result in the potential for significant injury or death. It's not like she went to the doctor's office and got the splinter in her finger misdiagnosed as a bunion...just an example, but really...when you consider what COULD have happened to the OP given the treatment she didn't get, it puts things in perspective. Being hydrocephalic I have only one horror story...and YES, it's about the ER...why?? Because I COULD HAVE DIED...perhaps she feels the same way.

    Have a great day, alll

    vamedic4:spin:
  13. by   Jo Dirt
    My initial impression when I first started reading was that this was the rant of a narcissitic drama queen/king. Nonetheless, it really stinks they didn't see the person had more pain intervention than that.
    And I have been sent home from an ER to die, too.

    I think you might need Handel on the Law rather than allnurses for this situation, though.

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