Quit or be fired? - page 6
I have been with the same company for 4 years and have NEVER called out b/c of snow/ice storms. This weekend my two kids ages 16 and 12 will have to be alone while I'm at work and its a pretty sure... Read More
Jan 29, '05wowee wow wow...I just read all of the new posts and all I can say is ....I am going to dig up my funnel cake recipe and share it with you all! Please be on the look out for it tomorrow. Thank you again everybody!
Jan 29, '05Those who inferred your two kids should be left alone to fend for themselves are wrong, period. What are they THINKING?????
You did the right thing. Kids first. You were responsible; you attempted to make other arrangements. You called WAY ahead of time to let them know you would not make it, after having exhausted your options. You don't make a habit of calling out. You are not late. You WERE a good employee, and better mother......
They showed you how they feel about you by firing you. It was already said; blessing in disguise. You were a model employee. They screwed you. Screw THEM.
Best wishes my friend.
Jan 29, '05Dang..... I am sorry they fired you, but not surprised...
I have 2 kids, 16 & 7, both girls & no way, no how, if I was still a single mom, would I even THINK about leaving them alone in a possible ice storm for an entire weekend. The facility should have cut you some slack & let you bring the kids, at the very least, especially since you had been a good employee for 4 yrs. Oh, well.... Things happen for a reason & they probably don't realize that they just did you a BIIIIGGGG favor, by terminating you. Hmmmmm, I wonder if being fired b/c of a child care/weather issue would be grounds to receive unemployment?
Jan 29, '05[QUOTE=mackrn]Quote from nursewendy2000well, the truth is that there are people at *both* ends of the parental spectrum- your coworker at one end, and people like wendy at the other. they're barely the same species, the way I see it! back when i was in the corporate world, i got put in a group full of the parents of young children. as the only childless person in a group of 6, I was *always* expected, by my coworkers, to go to every single conference out of town, stay late for every conference call, etc, so they could take the kids here, there, and everywhere. if this happened once or twice, no big deal. but it was CONSTANT. Once, my dog broke his leg, and I called my coworker to cover me for 5 hours at an in-town trade show so I could take him to the vet...she got miffed. a month before, she'd backed out of a major international show, and I had to give all her presentation on no notice- her two kids were sick with ear infections, and she called out the night before we were to fly out.I have been with the same company for 4 years and have NEVER called out b/c of snow/ice storms. This weekend my two kids ages 16 and 12 will have to be alone while I'm at work and its a pretty sure thing I'll be snowed in for the whole weekend. QUOTE]
I hate to say this, but the rest of the staff should not have to make up for the fact that you have children. In the last year I have been the one that covers for my co-worker that has children (I am single) every time there is a hurricane alert, someone at home is ill, there is a school play or wants to spend time with the kids during school break. I realize that family is importent, but during my father's recent illness was able to commute 240 miles on my days off to help take care of him and still cover all my shifts and on call time. The only time I took off was for his funeral (first time in the 5 years that have been here that took time off without months notice) and got all sorts of abuse from her when got back as she missed a basketball game for her son. Considering that I cover for her 1-2/week and was stuck at the hospital for the last 2 hurricanes I thought this was unfair. So I told her that would no longer be available to cover for her and would have to schedule these events around her work schedule. She spent most of friday afternoon in my bosses office and then her directors office and am expecting the worst on monday.
now, my point is this: some people will abuse you, and if they happen to have kids, they're likely to use them as scapegoats. others use their pets, some use parents they care for- some just make stuff up. sometimes, you get stuck in a situation like the one I was in- which was unusual, as they were *all* abusing me (strength in numbers and imitation, probably). but, usually, there are maybe a couple of these types in a given work environment. I used to take the slack for everyone else (in my old career), but now that I'm in school, I can't do it at this job. when i took the job, that was one of the conditions- my classes come *first*. obviously, we don't make stipulations like that when considering children and jobs...employers aren't legally allowed to ask questions like, 'which will come first, this job, or your kids?' and I'd wager nobody would volunteer the answer to such a question in an interview.
putting the *safety* of your children over your job is highly commendable, wendy. I applaud you. were I the person who got called in the day you didn't come in, I'd initially be a little irked at you- til I found out you called days before and tried to get some alternative worked out. then, i'd be mad at the manager. were you the type to use your kids as a call-out excuse *all* the time (and obviously, you're not!), then yes, I'd assume it was simply an excuse. but, obviously, you're not. the people here who are comparing wendy to those types really need to take *her* situation for what it is, and not lump her in with the types I described above.
Jan 30, '05Wendy,
I am sorry you were fired for being a responsible parent. It is so difficult to be a good employee, a good nurse, and a good parent these days. I am sure that some of the people you worked with know the story but I would make it very clear YOU tried to work out some sort of remedy but administration did not/would not cooperate. While everything is fresh in your mind please take a few minutes to jot down what happened starting at the beginning, put in date, times you talked, name and position of person you spoke with. I hope you file for unemployment compensation, I have a feeling this company thinks it can do whatever it wants to do with employees, but I think you will win your compensation. Good luck and let us know what you are doing and how you are doing. Remember God does not close a door until He opens a window, you may find a better working environment at a new job and especially one where employee are recognized as humans with problems and needs. :angel2:
Jan 30, '05Quote from SmilingBluEyesThey showed you how they feel about you by firing you. It was already said; blessing in disguise. You were a model employee. They screwed you. Screw THEM.
Best wishes my friend.
Whoooooooooooooooooooooot !!! Leave it to Deb to tell it like it is !
I just LOVED this !!! Way to go, Deb !
It's true, however.
If they have no concern for the welfare of your family in an ice storm of this magnitude, knowing full well you had attempted everything and given them plenty of notice... and still felt you should neglect the safety of your children.. what kind of "nurses" ARE these folks, anyway??? HUH? Sure wouldn't want one of THEM ever caring for ME !!!
You'll be just FINE, Wendy. We're pullin' for ya ! :kiss
Jan 30, '05Wendy, just out of curiousity, how bad did the weather get? I have family in Dawsonville Ga and they are without power and sitting in the middle of the ice storm. I see they have nearly closed the airports in Atlanta and in North and South Carolina. Just wondering how you are faring, good luck, and yes, you are better off without those jerks as employers!
Jan 30, '05I'm sorry you were fired by this facility, Wendy--but it is their loss. You are a good employee & a good parent, and you put your family first. If they can't be accepting of that, then they don't deserve you.
Jan 30, '05I am sorry if upset anyone here. I mean no offense....honestly.
BUT----. I still say, I will NOT EVER WILLINGLY leave my kids alone under any circumstances, for days on end, under 18 years of age. I think it highly inappropriate and wrong to do so. Others think I am wrong. Hey, that is ok with me.
As for my emergency plans? Well, I do have plans and people who WILL help me should an emergency arise. These plans, my friends, DO NOT INCLUDE LEAVING MY MINOR CHILDREN UNATTENDED for what COULD BE DAYS ON END at home. If that makes me a poor employee, or poorly-prepared in someone's eyes, so be it. I will not put my kids at risk for any job. I got out of the military so that I may never have to leave my kids for an extended time. I intend to live up to that, now as a civilian .My husband is still military; my work knows it. He has even less notice or time to respond to an emergency, making it an imperative I have plans in place should they need me. They just might have to wait til I could respond, til my kids are safely ensconced. If I had to call out, cause my plans fell through and I tried everything to get my family looked after, I would do without hesitation.
My supervisor and coworkers also know I will come as soon as I can in an emergency, AFTER my kids are looked after properly. I have made that clear and in WRITING, as a matter of fact. Family first, community next, work, after that. That is how I feel. I am not calling anyone a "bad parent" or anything like that. I am just saying I felt personally, I would have needed to think twice before leaving minor children alone for what could be several days in a dangerous storm. If you feel your kids would be fine, so much the better. I am glad. To each his or her own.
Good weekend to everyone. Hope no one is upset by what I said. No intent is made to do so. I feel strongly, just as some of you do!
PS----------------this all means, I am still on YOUR side, Wendy. You did the right thing.Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Jan 30, '05
Jan 30, '05Hugs to you Wendy...I lost my babysitter once when my kiddos were small and had to give notice...was able to bring them with me too initially (slept in an empty room)then was told I could not...hubby was suddenly required to be out of town on business, his was the primary job, and I had no family/friends to help out <sigh> Not all of us have the resources others have available to them in these situations..
Thus my notice was only one week...best I could do (it was a weekend position) and of course they badmouth me to this day about it. GRRR.
You go girl...put your family first and you will always sleep at night. No way would I have left my kids alone in the situation you describe so i understand your feelings.
Also agree with posters who note this new management team is likely 'cleaning house'...not unusual to see a new team do this, unfortunately and it can be difficult for even model employees to survive the boot if the manager wants everyone under here to be brand new.
Jan 30, '05Bottom line, if you have never called in like this before, and your prior atendance/tardy record show it.........screw them, call off. If the company is that desperate to threaten that, then you don't need them. I would guess you can find another job, as easily as they can fire you. When the new place asks why you were fired, tell them. Your current company has no right to do that, kids first job second. Also I would check and see what kind of attendance/tardy policy your facility has, and copy it.
Personally, I would be looking for a new job. they are telling you this, most likely because they don't have enough staff. there is usually a reason for that........
P.S. - It is against the law to slander, libel a past emplyee for any reason. Worst comment they can make, is "no comment". Otherwise, it's lawsuite city.
Jan 30, '05Hey guys. Yeah...I've kind of just been wandering around today. Ice didn't form on the power lines until late yesterday evening...before that it was sleet/snow so the roads wree pretty bad. I called my work today and found out that my supervisor (and good friend) was made to work in my place even though she has a medical note that states she is not to work the floor (she had a recent fall at work and her shoulder muscle separated). I haven't forgotten about the funnel cake recipe - haven't been able to find it but I'll keep hunting. I'm going to the agency tomorrow-the roads are clear. As the ice storms go around here this one wasn't too bad...could have been a lot worse. I hope you all have a great week and thank you again to everybody for going through this with me. -Wendy
Jan 30, '05Quote from nursewendy2000That was a blessing in disguise, hun. I quit a job (that I had just started) rather than get fired years ago, after my son (who was three years old at the time), came down with a fever of 104 degrees along with a serious strep and middle ear infection. As luck would have it, my husband was out of town on business, and my baby was too sick to be left with a neighbor or at day care. I was out of work for three days with him, and when I returned to work, the charge nurse gave me hell for being out and demanded that I find someone to care for him in the future. She was so damn hateful that I quit. My husband returned home from his trip that night, and when I told him what happened, he was very supportive. "You'll find something better", he told me...and I did. So WILL you!Hey guys. Yeah...I've kind of just been wandering around today. Ice didn't form on the power lines until late yesterday evening...before that it was sleet/snow so the roads wree pretty bad. I called my work today and found out that my supervisor (and good friend) was made to work in my place even though she has a medical note that states she is not to work the floor (she had a recent fall at work and her shoulder muscle separated). I haven't forgotten about the funnel cake recipe - haven't been able to find it but I'll keep hunting. I'm going to the agency tomorrow-the roads are clear. As the ice storms go around here this one wasn't too bad...could have been a lot worse. I hope you all have a great week and thank you again to everybody for going through this with me. -Wendy