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:eek: I live in Oklahoma which cis supposed to be about number 49th in teacher salaries. I believe at my last recollection brand new teacher were starting out at about 29,000 a year. Now If... Read More
Jan 4, '02Yes, When my sis n law was logged in I accidently used her username before I realized what had happened. She had just posted a message. Secondly, I am not claiming to be an expert on nursing. I do know, however, that life is too short to stay in a profession that you are not happy in. That is why I have decided to switch careers. Just like I don't know everything about nursing, you all don't know about teaching. They are both noble careers, however around where I live nurses make ALOT more money and have better job satisfaction. I have NEVER met a teacher that got paid for overtime, and I am not willing to live in another country I do prefer the U. S. A. Teachers do better in certain parts of the country. NOT in the South, which is where I live. Teacher aides make about 7 dollars an hour around here. And teachers probably only make about 12 if you count all the overtime they don't get paid for. You get 7 sick days a yr. 2 paid personal days and that is it. There is No paid vacation time, no chance to earn a little more money when you need it, no maternity leave, etc. etc. I got tired of it and decided to switch. It does no good to complain. It is better to take action which is what Ive done. I hope I will like my new career better than teaching, but I will never know if I don't try. By the way, on MSNBC this morning they were talking to an expert about the job market, and she said that with the economy the way it is NOW is the time to go to school and get a new degree. And she actually said NURSING is a great career, with job security and very good pay. Now that is what SHE said not me. Pattycakes
Jan 4, '02I completely agree with you patty that people shouldn't stay in careers that they don't like. I hope nursing turns out to be a great career for you. This post has gotten WAY out of hand and I hope it doesn't continue anymore. I hope you realize that people on this borad complain about conditions because they can be bad and others here can understand that. Every profession has ups and downs, hopefully the ups will outweigh the downs for you when you start nursing, unfortunately a lot of nurses get to the point where the downs outnumber the ups and do leave.
Doesn't the summer for you count as paid vacation time? A friend here is a teacher and they all get paychecks through the summer rather than only being paid for the months they are in class so it makes for smaller paychecks, but they still get something throughout the summer. I couldn't imagine having to budget for 2 months off a year!
Jan 4, '02Originally posted by dawngloves
Dig that Fergus!!! I have yet to have a manager come up to me when I was doing notes an hour past my shift because i had a code and tell me I was getting paid. And heaven forbid you ask!!! It's like OLiver Twist begging for gruel!
And BTW, teachers get paid for, "Prep time"(getting lessons together) and DO get paid for teaching extra curicular activities at the school. This may be only a local thing, but then maybe Pattycakes, your district should unionize
Jan 4, '02Originally posted by pattycake92
. You get 7 sick days a yr. 2 paid personal days and that is it. There is No paid vacation time, no chance to earn a little more money when you need it, no maternity leave, etc. etc.
Jan 4, '02lol, nurs2b! Exactly! My best friend is a teacher, my coworker's wife is a teacher, IN THE SOUTH, so I'm not just shooting off numbers here. Best friend is a PE teacher, makes $39k/yr (8 yrs exp) has summer and all holidays off. She also coaches a couple sports and she IS PAID EXTRA for these. CW's wife, teaches K5. Made $34k (10 yrs exp), has summers and holidays off. Both of them CHOOSE to work summer jobs and supplement their teaching salaries, so they make about another $4k/yr doing that. The average nursing salary here for the same experience w/o ot is about $41k/yr. Sooo, the difference isn't that big. Teacher's have state retirement, nurses usually pay their own retirement. Our insurance costs about the same. Teacher's work 180 days/year, nurses work about 250 days/yr. Teacher's (according to Patty) get 7 paid days off out of 180 working days; nurses get about 15 which must also be used for holidays that teacher's already have off. Nurses don't get maternity pay; teacher's don't get maternity pay. I wouldn't want to be a teacher, but if I visited a teacher's bb, I damn sure wouldn't criticize them for venting. IN THE SOUTH, all pay is lower because, IN THE SOUTH, the cost of living is lower.
Jan 5, '02The grass always "looks greener on the other side". There isn't a single secretary or office worker who hasn't looked at the "Plant Care Lady" that comes in to water the plants with envy. There isn't a single Nurse who hasn't looked at the stock person at their local Wal Mart with envy.
I love it...Coleen10...I finally laughed....I MOPSI , Have NEVER looked at the stock person at Wal-Mart with envy...Now maybe the cashiers, but never a stock person..LOL..and Happy New Year
Jan 5, '02Well.....
I live in an area with one of the highest costs of living in the U.S. A typical one-bedroom apartment in my area costs $750-800 per month (that's with NO frills!).
A starting full-time teacher's salary for someone with only a four-year degree and no experience is just under $32,000. After teaching for two years, I have received a raise which brings my salary to $32,549.
Meanwhile, a friend of mine that is only one year older than me was making a base salary of $43,000.00 back in 1992 on her first job out of college with her BSN. Because she works nights/weekends, of course she made more. Now she is almost finished with her certificate as a nurse anesthetist and with all the bells and whistles is currently making close to $100,000 per year.
Yes, teachers do get all the weeks off and shorter days...in fact, that is one of the factors that attracted me to teaching in the first place. In addition, in NYC teachers get absolutely excellent benefits.
BUT, teaching inner-city children is no walk in the park! My last assigment was so difficult that I had to stop myself from grabbing my things and walking out several times per week! Then, it would take me about two hours everyday just to unclench my fists! Then I, of course, had parents to call, lessons to plan and papers to grade for the rest of the night.
Really, it takes about 3-4 years of teaching the same grade level and the same subject to even begin to feel comfortable with your job.
After a student threw a chair and I got hit with it, I had decided that I just did not like teaching enough to endure the extreme stress and low-pay for even one second longer.
However, I was always interested in a medical career anyway...I just did a really big U-turn!
Of course, knowing that ADN's start at about $52,000.....
Just lending some perspective.
Jan 5, '02Fergus - why don't you get paid when you work through lunch, stay over, etc??? What state do you live in? I have worked overseas (Korea, Japan, Spain), in the US, Nevada, Indiana, and now Illinois and I don't clock out till my work is done and by golly, I get paid for it!!!!
My husband, the high school teacher doesn't get OT, but still earns a good salary, he works 36 to 50 hours a week during the school year and works about half that during the summer, since he has a 12 month contract. I still don't think that is bad money!!
Wildtime is just discontented and wouldn't be happy anywhere...ignore him!!
Jan 5, '02Patty, I encourage you to do nursing. As a nurse with a teaching background you will do just great.
I work in dialysis where we are constantly thinking of dynamic ways to present patient education topics, such as fluid/diet restriction, or path results and what they mean, in new ways. (I have just finished making a word search on foods high in potassium).
So much of nursing is education. We educate our patient's, their families, undergraduates and our professional peers, not to mention the mother's down in the school yard and the folk you meet while out shopping.
So never underestimate the skills you have that you will bring to nursing.
Jan 5, '02Originally posted by traumaRUs
Fergus - why don't you get paid when you work through lunch, stay over, etc??? What state do you live in? I have worked overseas (Korea, Japan, Spain), in the US, Nevada, Indiana, and now Illinois and I don't clock out till my work is done and by golly, I get paid for it!!!!
Jan 5, '02I understand completely about being unhappy and underpaid for your work.. I am also changing careers.. and I am only 25 years old... I am also a Certified Veterinary Technician, which I have an associates degree for and had to take state board exams.. however the pay is not here in the area I live, and due to my husband making good money especially "IN THE SOUTH" straight out of college making 55,000... so here is a good area.. Just not for the Vet field... So I have chosen to go to, which I start on Monday So I would never down anyone for changing careers.. It does however get old, hearing her(Pattycakes) b*tch and moan about how bad the south is..And as Dr.Heal said cost of living DOES make a big difference... Even for the part of the South I live in, Arkansas, you can get a 1800sq foot BRAND new house for 115,000... Go to Mississippi (where I lived for 22yrs) and can't even get a 1480 sq foot house for less than 125,000... SO YES it does make someones salary in New York seem great, but heck you probably can't get an apartment there less than 1500/month... Every Job has its down sides.... and every job has its perks.... and Dr. Heal i do know how hard it has become to work in the teaching field.. I graduated from Pearl High School in Pearl, MS where the first school shooting was done by Luke Woodham.. So I do understand that.. I just wish Patty would make her change in career and stop being so rude to everyone on here... and if she doesn't like the south, I am sure there is a Interstate that goes straight up to the North...
Jan 5, '02I AM PATTYCAKES SISTER N LAW AND I HAVE TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. FOR SOME OF YOU, I THINK ITS HORRIBLE TO RUN DOWN THE NURSING FIELD THE WAY YOU DO. WHY DONT YOU JUST GET OUT OF IT. I THINK NURSING IS A VERY GOOD FIELD WITH EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY. SURE IT HAS ITS BAD POINTS JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CAREER YOU COULD CHOOSE. TEACHERS DO NOT MAKE AS MUCH AS NURSES HERE IN THE SOUTH AND ANYBODY SAYS DIFFERENT IS A LIAR. THATS JUST THE BOTTOM LINE. ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT JUST THE MONEY THOUGH. IT TAKES CERTAIN PEOPLE T0 BE A NURSE . SOMEONE WHO HAS THE ABILTY TO SHOW COMPASSION AND HAVE REAL CARE FOR THE WELLNESS OF HUMAN BEINGS. IM NOT SO SURE THAT SOME OF YOU ARE THAT TYPE OF PEOPLE. OH AND BY THE WAY, ON THE ORIGINAL PATTYCAKES DEBATE. SOME OF YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT I WAS A JOB HOPPER SINCE IVE HAD 3 JOBS IN 3 YEARS WELL LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THAT. I HAVE BEEN A DIALYSIS NURSE FOR 3 YEARS. I WORKED AT THE FIRST JOB FOR 1 YR AND 9 MONTHS FULL TIME, I AM STILL THERE PRN. THE JOB IM AT NOW IVE BEEN THERE FOR 1 YEAR AND 4 MONTHS. I HAVE JUST TAKEN A NEW JOB AS A CARDIAC NURSE /ICU AND WILL STAY ON AT MY PRESENT JOB PRN BUT WILL RETIRE FROM THE FIRST ONE. IM CHANGING JOBS NOW FOR NEW EXPERIENCE NOW. MY NEW JOB PAYS 24.50/HR AND I WAS MAKING 18/HR. NOW WHAT WOULD YOU DO?. THATS 6.50 MORE AN HR. SO YES I THINK ILL TRY A NEW FIELD FOR THAT AND THE EXPERIENCE. SO A JOB HOPPER , I DONT THINK SO!!!!!!!!!! SO WHY DONT YOU ALL EITHER GET A NEW CAREER OR A LIFE.
Jan 5, '02OH AND BY THE WAY, IVE NEVER HAD A JOB YET WHERE I DID NOT GET OVERTIME OVER 40HRS A WEEK AND IT IS CONSIDERED TIME AND A HALF
LET ME BREAK IT DOWN FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DONT GET IT:
IF I WORK SAY 45 HRS THIS WEEK NORMAL PAY FOR THE 40 IS 18 AND THE OTHER 5 HRS IS $27 each.....
thank you very much