Opinion about autism - page 3

Is it possible that autism and vaccines are linked?... Read More

  1. by   PeachPie
    Quote from mercyteapot
    Does hopeful refer to your entry into nursing school? That's the only explanation I can think of for why you would believe that all syndromes are of unknown etiology.
    I think that you're starting to get a bit personal and sensitive here. Is there a reason why you're getting so angry and petty over a debate? If you wish to show her the truths (I'd like to see resources from you as well), why not inform her rather than make snippy retorts? She's not being rude to you.

    Look, none of us know what causes autism. Until then, many hypotheses are as possible as the next. As I remember, Jonas Salk and Ingaz Semmelweiss were ridiculed for their theories until proven otherwise.
    Last edit by PeachPie on Apr 7, '07
  2. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from PeachPie
    I think that you're starting to get a bit personal and sensitive here. Is there a reason why you're getting so angry and petty over a debate? If you wish to show her the truths (I'd like to see resources from you as well), why not inform her rather than make snippy retorts? She's not being rude to you.

    Look, none of us know what causes autism. Until then, many hypotheses are valid. As I remember, Jonas Salk and Ingaz Semmelweiss were ridiculed for their theories until proven otherwise.
    I think you are entitled to your opinion of me, but you know when I said ''autism is a developmental disorder'' and ''syndromes can have known etiologies''? That was information which I was offering. It is just your opinion that it was petty.

    Thank you for your kind and thoughtful commentary, though.
    Last edit by mercyteapot on Apr 7, '07
  3. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from Hopefull2009
    Vaccinations are not without risks...none of them are. The risk factor may only be 1%, but unfortunately, there are some infants, like yourself, that end up being that 1%.

    Some infants die just from being put under anesthesia, but the surgeries, when necessary, go on and there isn't a huge movement to never put babies under anesthesia when neccessary.
    I said I didn't know if vaccines caused my problem as an infant.

    Also, your comparison of anesthesia risks to immunizations is spurious and nonsensical. Those in anesthesia generally know why bad outcomes happen due to anesthesia. They have protocols based upon this. In addition, surgery is done for significant conditions We don't know exactly why roughly 1 in 133 children are developing autism. The shots? I don't know. I'm not arguing against immunizations. I am arguing against black and white thinking.

    It also strikes me as strangely flippant. "Like, one of the 1%? Oh well." I think we can do better.
  4. by   justme1972
    Quote from multicollinarity
    I said I didn't know if vaccines caused my problem as an infant.

    Also, your comparison of anesthesia risks to immunizations is spurious and nonsensical. Those in anesthesia generally know why bad outcomes happen due to anesthesia. They have protocols based upon this. In addition, surgery is done for significant conditions We don't know exactly why roughly 1 in 133 children are developing autism. The shots? I don't know. I'm not arguing against immunizations. I am arguing against black and white thinking.

    It also strikes me as strangely flippant. "Like, one of the 1%? Oh well." I think we can do better.
    I don't think that my post minimized in any way, those that fall ill from vaccinations, nor did I say that you were against vaccinations.

    I am not going to post to this thread anymore, as a general, friendly debate about opinions of autism has turned into personal attacks, and I am making the choice not to engage.

    Everyone have a great night.
  5. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from Hopefull2009
    I don't think that my post minimized in any way, those that fall ill from vaccinations, nor did I say that you were against vaccinations.

    I am not going to post to this thread anymore, as a general, friendly debate about opinions of autism has turned into personal attacks, and I am making the choice not to engage.

    Everyone have a great night.
    I don't believe I have personally attacked you. I was addressing the subjects you posted.
  6. by   Oz2
    I believe strongly that my son's first round of immunizations were the cause of his autism. I can't prove it because of the early age at which the immunization took place. At 3 months old, babies do basically nothing. The cry, they eat, they poop, they smile...and then do that all over again. Being able to detect an adverse effect of this type on a baby at that age is virtually impossible, and that's part of the problem with seeing the correlation. That's lucky for the drug companies...unlucky for those of us who have to deal with the fallout.

    My baby babbled at that age though, which he wasn't supposed to do according to the "What To Expect..." book. We would have 'conversations' where we would babble back and forth. Then one day he got his immunization, slept for two days, and we never had our conversations again. When I babbled at him, he just stared at me...and never replied in return. I panicked and thought about calling the doctor, but according to the book, he wasn't even supposed to be babbling yet. I brushed it off and figured the doctor would say I was nuts. In hindsight, I'm convinced that if I hadn't held him down for those FIVE different shots given all at the same time, which included a KNOWN neurological poison, my son would not have the symptoms he exhibits today.

    That is, I believe, why there is a 'spectrum' of severity. If this were like any other disease or disorder, you would see basically the same symptoms and generally the same severity. But you don't. My son is nothing like the more severe cases you see on t.v., but he definitely has the symptoms of what they are calling autism.

    Last time I contacted the FDA for the information, they told me they have never conducted tests on the efficacy of giving those multiple injections at such an early age.

    I could go on and on but...There may be various reasons why the immunizatons my child had affected him the way they did...But I wish to God I had waited until he was older and I wish to God I had given him the vaccines in separate doses.
  7. by   PeachPie
    ^What was the neurological poison?
  8. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from PeachPie
    ^What was the neurological poison?
    Thimerisol (mercury) contained in the shots is a known neurotoxin. Where experts argue is the dose necessary for harm.
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Autism hits home with many members here, clearly, and the discussion about what may or may not be a direct link or cause is one rife with controversy. I just ask we keep the focus on the topic itself and refrain from making it personal with each other. Thanks.
  10. by   Noahm
    Ain't it funny how all of the research that has concluded that thirmosal does not cause autism was funded and researched either directly or indirectly by the drug companies who made those vaccines.

    These guys knew years ago that the thirmosal in the vaccines could cause autism in kids who are genetically susceptible. These kids don't filter toxins out of their systems like other people do because of a chromosomal abnormality. The mercury in the vaccines is just too much for these special kids.
  11. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from Noahm
    Ain't it funny how all of the research that has concluded that thirmosal does not cause autism was funded and researched either directly or indirectly by the drug companies who made those vaccines.

    These guys knew years ago that the thirmosal in the vaccines could cause autism in kids who are genetically susceptible. These kids don't filter toxins out of their systems like other people do because of a chromosomal abnormality. The mercury in the vaccines is just too much for these special kids.
    If thimerisol in vaccines has caused autism rates to skyrocket - sadly I don't think we will find out in our lifetimes.

    The cynic in me thinks the answers will be suppressed until another generation passes to protect the public health establishment that pushed and denied (if vaccines are a cause). How could any official own up to causing autism in 1 in 133 children?
  12. by   Baby Catcher, CNM
    The View just did a show on Autism and they said 1/166 kids are diagnosed with it. They said the rate 20 years agao was 1/10,000. It made me wonder why such a huge jump in numbers. I'm sure some can be attributed to increased awareness but not that big of an increase.

    It makes me wonder what has changed in obstetrics and peds in the last 20 years. I don't work in peds but here are some things that have changed in OB just off the top of my head:
    1. Increased use of continuous EFM.
    2. Increased rate of inductions.
    3. Increased rate of epidurals.
    4. Incresed rate of c/s.
    5. Almost every pregnant women gets an ultrasound now. Before it was just if a problem was suspected.
    6. I'm not sure but I think the breastfeeding rate has increased in the last 20 years.

    That's all I can think of. Anyone else?
  13. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from almost a cnm
    The View just did a show on Autism and they said 1/166 kids are diagnosed with it. They said the rate 20 years agao was 1/10,000. It made me wonder why such a huge jump in numbers. I'm sure some can be attributed to increased awareness but not that big of an increase.

    It makes me wonder what has changed in obstetrics and peds in the last 20 years. I don't work in peds but here are some things that have changed in OB just off the top of my head:
    1. Increased use of continuous EFM.
    2. Increased rate of inductions.
    3. Increased rate of epidurals.
    4. Incresed rate of c/s.
    5. Almost every pregnant women gets an ultrasound now. Before it was just if a problem was suspected.
    6. I'm not sure but I think the breastfeeding rate has increased in the last 20 years.

    That's all I can think of. Anyone else?
    I hope that was a repeat. I wouldn't typically feel compelled to correct a figure like that, but Barbara Walters gets on my nerves. Iin Feb. the CDC issued prevalence figures in 8 year olds as 1 in 150. There are areas of the country where it is even higher.

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