OK, maybe I've been reading the wrong Threads.... - page 2

I had no preconceived notion of WHAT Nursing was when I went back to school at age 30. Twelve years later, this is what I've learned about Nursing: Nursing is NOT a Fairy Tale...there very often... Read More

  1. by   hoolahan
    Originally posted by Fgr8Out
    ...Nursing demands that we think OUTSIDE the box...that means looking at our Profession as more than just assisting a delivering mother, suctioning a trach patient, titrating a drip in ICU, to include educating family/friends/physicians/each other. To expect that the "typical" patient very likely will become "Atypical"... and at the worst possible time... and to accept that this happens, because it is entirely out of our control....

    Nursing is NOT 9-5, Monday thru Friday, Holidays Off...it is not spending the rest of your days safely cloistered in your specialty "niche"... because sometimes...even though you don't know everything about other areas of Nursing... you CAN provide a certain amount of care... care that would otherwise be unavailable at possibly a crucial moment on that Unit you've been asked to go to....

    Nursing requires an Open Mind and an Open Heart...

    We need to support one another...regardless of what circumstances or situations brought us into the Profession called Nursing. We all come to this place with our own gifts and talents...and we need to encourage each other so those gifts and talents may shine. We need to ACT in a Professional manner in dress and in conduct so that others around us will know and SEE the Professionals that we are....

    If you're argumentative on a regular basis, you're wearing out your co-workers... and your goal, however admirable and just, won't be heard....

    I appreciate and respect the opportunity this site provides for everyone to voice their opinon... to vent their frustrations and to share their joys and victories... their fears and sorrows. I hope those of you who read this post will respect and appreciate my taking this opportunity to share my own views, and to read between the lines of my message. And if I've ever offended anyone on this site, my apologies... sometimes I feel the need to vent too....

    Peace
    Yes, you have offended me at least. None of us are perfect. I agree nurses must act as a team, and I agree with a lot of what you said, but, we are not above needing to whine and vent just because we are nurses.

    To address a few things you said specifically...Nurses need to think outside of the box...I can't disagree with that at all, it's called critical thinking.

    Nursing is not spending your days safely nestled in your specialty niche.... Why not??? I really don't see what is wrong with a nurse wanting to excel in one particular area. Doctors do it. Nurses who have those specialty skills are in great demand now. Just b/c we choose to stay in a specialty area we are not able to think outside of the box?? Hardly!! Have you seen the ads and sign-on bonuses for expereinced OR nurses?? Upwards of $10,000. I am sorry but I have never seen an ad saying "nurse of all trades" $10,000 sign on bonus. It is not about the money that I am pointing this out, rather about the demand, a demand which meets the needs of patients! Then you say we need to support one another, and that we all have our gifts and talents. Yes, my gift is cardiac nursing. Does that mean I am not a team player b/c I wouldn't want to be pulled to L&D or PP????? I personally don't think so.

    Nursing requires an open mind and heart. Once more, this is a BB, and we vent, it does not mean we are always argumentative just b/c we don't all see things the same way. You have no idea what kind of nurse anyone here is when they are actually on the job. What about nursegoodguy, who had a pt rub HepC blood on him, he should feel OK w that b/c he should be understanding and have an open heart?? If he had come on here and said he hated working w psych pt's, I wouldn't automatically assume he had a closed heart, or that he really hated psych pt's, just that he had a bad day and needed the support of his fellow nurses. We are, above all alse, only human.

    I do indeed respect your opinion and right to voice it, as I hope you will mine.
  2. by   Dr. Kate
    Lori I'll be sharing your description of nursing with my new grads.
    You said it all so beautifully.
    I have only recently started reading these boards on a regular basis (doesn't cost me as much as shopping on ebay.) The more time I spend here the more value I see in the discussions that go on here. It's nice to have a place to vent the frustration and anger and get feedback. Critical incident debriefing really is a necessary part of all nursing not just emergent, disaster situations. That's what I see us doing for one another--providing a safe place to talk about those things that we all know and understand but are so hard to describe to outworlders.
  3. by   shay
    Originally posted by hoolahan
    None of us are perfect. I agree nurses must act as a team, and I agree with a lot of what you said, but, we are not above needing to whine and vent just because we are nurses.

    To address a few things you said specifically...Nurses need to think outside of the box...I can't disagree with that at all, it's called critical thinking.

    Nursing is not spending your days safely nestled in your specialty niche.... Why not??? I really don't see what is wrong with a nurse wanting to excel in one particular area. Doctors do it. Nurses who have those specialty skills are in great demand now. Just b/c we choose to stay in a specialty area we are not able to think outside of the box?? Hardly!! Have you seen the ads and sign-on bonuses for expereinced OR nurses?? Upwards of $10,000. I am sorry but I have never seen an ad saying "nurse of all trades" $10,000 sign on bonus. It is not about the money that I am pointing this out, rather about the demand, a demand which meets the needs of patients! Then you say we need to support one another, and that we all have our gifts and talents. Yes, my gift is cardiac nursing. Does that mean I am not a team player b/c I wouldn't want to be pulled to L&D or PP????? I personally don't think so.

    Nursing requires an open mind and heart. Once more, this is a BB, and we vent, it does not mean we are always argumentative just b/c we don't all see things the same way. You have no idea what kind of nurse anyone here is when they are actually on the job. What about nursegoodguy, who had a pt rub HepC blood on him, he should feel OK w that b/c he should be understanding and have an open heart?? If he had come on here and said he hated working w psych pt's, I wouldn't automatically assume he had a closed heart, or that he really hated psych pt's, just that he had a bad day and needed the support of his fellow nurses. We are, above all alse, only human.

    I do indeed respect your opinion and right to voice it, as I hope you will mine.
    ITA w/hoolahan.

    Look, this is a place to vent. I refuse to sit here and speak all p.c. and nicey-nice about drug mothers, beliggerent docs, lousy hours (and yes, I realize it's part of the job), and floating. I don't HAVE to be nice here.

    You're losing sight of the bigger picture here. We come here to vent. Why in the hell is that such a bad thing? Do you EVER have a negative thought? Does that make you a BAD NURSE? I seriously doubt it.

    I'm a GREAT nurse. I have a book full of thank-you notes from patients and certificates of merit in my file of work to prove it, if you feel you need that kind of proof. I can still be a GREAT nurse and feel that the pt. I'm taking care of is a jerk, that the doc I'm working with needs to take a long walk off a short pier, and that I wish I was at home in bed with my husband at 3 am rather than AT WORK.

    The difference is, I keep those thoughts to myself and give GREAT CARE, regardless of my personal feelings. However, when I come here, I don't think it's okay to be chastised and chided because I want to vent and express myself.

    Sorry if you associate personal feelings with bad nursing. I disagree.
  4. by   RNinICU
    I don't hate my job, as a matter of fact, I LOVE my work. And I have been an advocate for change at my hospital when I felt that things needed changed. But I think that the negativity here has a place and a purpose. I come here to vent frustrations about coworkers, patients, management, and physicians to help clear those feelings from my mind and my soul. I can vent here to my allnurses family, and no harm is done. If I were to say some of the things at work that I say here, then I could be creating a lot of hard feelings with my peers. I can vent here, get support and advice, and take only good feelings back to work with me.

    There are some positive threads on this BB, you just have to look for them. I started a thread about good nurses, and one about good doctors some time ago. Perhaps you should try reading them. I go back to them myself when I want to lift my spirits.
  5. by   txnurse2
    Wonderfully said. Thank you for posting a reminder of what nursing "is" be when we give what we can to a job we love.
  6. by   sleepqd
    Isn't it wonderful to have a place where we can gripe,*****, complain, moan, vent, however you want to label it?!? I'm fortunate that I have a sister who is also a nurse and understands what I mean when I talk shop. But not everybody has that, so that leave home family and work family to listen. Both probably get tired of hearing it after awhile.
  7. by   micro
    fgr8out.........reading and typing between the lines......way cool thread and makes people think and discuss.....
    no you cannot fight a battle every day.....

    Hoolihan.........thinking outside the box.......
    well said...........

    and to come here to vent......

    nursing can be a pita at the same time that it can be rewarding.....
    but then at the same time....when I try to envision myself doing anything else.....well, I don't look real good saying "would you like fries with that"

    I do know I have become more ??? about the whole nursing vs the rest of the medical arena in my second decade of being a nurse.

    ??? of late.....
    just a few and maybe some of them are selfish....but is k'cause being selfish is k'

    why do "they" count on "us" always saying, sure, we will stay over, rather than planning ahead and staffing correctly....
    nurses are human too and do get tired.....

    nurse to patient ratios: a patient doesn't = a patient, but it seems that that is how things are determined.....

    how come some organizations refuse to use travel nurses......like overtime is cheaper or even worse not safe nursing to patient ratios.........

    and not that I am in nursing to make a $, but well, fact, I do have to make a paycheck.........
    what of a nurse that is already 1.0(40+ scheduled hours).....to offer this nurse 1 1/2 time to stay over, etc. is a mute point.....it is 1 1/2 for that nurse anyway........what if i demanded double time.....then maybe I would think about it.......sometimes.........

    and then there is the thought that nursing, well is just like anyother field out there.......there are frustrations with any job.......
    truth to some degree,

    but when you work so closely(way closely) with people as we do in health care(nurses, RT's, lab, etc).......there are some different dynamics that do occur.........
    an added stress..............yes

    and why shouldn't we be rewarded a bit for that.........

    i love to read the cascadians when they thread.....they have seen much..........but still keep on keepin on..........

    To be a nurse takes a special drive and a special people!!!!!

    keep on keepin on everybody.........
    micro will do the same


    frustration= :uhoh21: :spin:
  8. by   ceecel.dee
    The pessimists keep the optimists from being taken advantage of? I like everyone to take care of themselves! If everyone waits for someone else to do the rallying, what will ever get done? Pollyanna or not, we have issues that need rallying behind! That does not necessarily make the rallyer a pessimist. It more like burying your head in the sand, and hoping someone else will get the dirty work done. While you worry about nothing but your patients and positive thoughts, others worry about fighting for safe staffing, increased wages, nursing autonomy issues, unionizing, just to name a few issues worth a good fight.

    A little fight from all of us would make it easier on all of us.

    If we all rolled over....?
  9. by   Kayzee
    Great thread. I agree with your statements of what nursing is and is not. However I have to agree with hoolihan that nurses are not perfect. Nurses are human beings who feel sad, angry, unappreciated, stressed, and over-worked at times. But, WE ARE NURSES, who should give, give, give. Don't let it bother you that mgt. does not appreciate the care you give the pts. Don't let it bother you that family members want more 1:1 with their loved ones, when your so busy you don't have time to use the bathroom. Don't let it bother you that you are expected to finish any work that has not been done. Don't let it bother you that your working short staffed again tonight. Don't let it bother you that you can't get that time off for that special vacation you have been planning on for a year. Don't let it bother you the verbal abuse you receive from some pts. and their families. I guess what I'm trying to get across is this is what the Boards are for. It helps us to reach out to other nurses who understand the difficulties were going through, since they have been there themselves. Now don't get me wrong, I love nursing and their are those special moments that happen, such as a pt. grabbing your hand and saying thank you, or a hug from a family member for taking good care of their loved one. What we experience is life, and all its emotions. Nurses cannot bury their feelings and be happy and smily all the time. Now I know you have to act professional, but on these boards I am me with all the baggage included. I'm glad of discussions here..I don't want a rosy picture of nursing because it is definetly not. I want truth with feelings on this board. I want to know that another nurse out there feels the helplessness that I do at times, and what we can do to solve these issues.
  10. by   fergus51
    I am with Nurse Ratched. Sure I whine and vent on this forum, but it has helped me immensely. Nurses on this forum from all over the world have offered me so many good ideas and suggestions that I would never have come up with on my own. And they have improved my workplace for me and my colleagues and my patients with some of those suggestions! And when they don't have solutions for my problems they keep me sane by sometimes just saying "Yeah, that really sucks". Sometimes threads take on negative and ugly tones, but for the most part I have found the nurses on this forum to be a wise, caring, helpful and supportive bunch. I don't think we're negative or mean, just truthful, which can sound that way sometimes.

    I do pick my battles at work, and I think that is the best suggestion I see in your post. If it doesn't have to do with patient safety or my own self respect, I let a lot of things that bug me go. But it is nice to be able to come here and vent about it to other nurses who understand
    Last edit by fergus51 on Jul 21, '02
  11. by   NancyRN
    So Lori, what you're saying is, "suck it up"?
  12. by   Fgr8Out
    Originally posted by NancyRN
    So Lori, what you're saying is, "suck it up"?
    If, on occasion, that's what is required... why not?

    Don't get me wrong... I have absolutely no problem with venting... IF, as I pointed out, you read between the lines... you'll see I am venting as well...

    I won't apologize for my positive outlook on things... just as I don't expect those I work with to apologize for getting angry at a system that places us in a position of having to choose between Patient A and Patient B and Patient C and Patients D-H. Believe me, I deal with the realities of Nursing every single day and am equally as frustrated and dissatisfied. And I do engage in activities designed to correct and ameliorate these problems and issues.

    My post merely attempts to bring about a balance to what I've read as a rule here...to allow those reading these posts who are considering a career in Nursing to hear from one who is satisfied in her chosen Profession...warts and all. My post also emphasized the fact that Nursing is a difficult, underappreciated, much maligned Profession. Those who choose it certainly must understand that before they enter... or be sadly disillusioned when reality rears its ugly head.

    I agree with each and everyone of you who vent your frustrations... venting isn't whining. Venting can be very cathartic and can lead to action... and that action can lead to the goals we all keep in front of us: sensible patient ratios, respect from our peers in Healthcare, compensation that reflects our education and contribution to Society, a say in how we care for our patients.... Whining, on the otherhand, is counterproductive and self-serving. My "tag" is a phrase I use at work... not necessarily for anyone but myself, as a reminder to keep focused on the business at hand. It is in no way intended to say anything else.

    Nowhere in my post did I ever indicate I'm anywhere near "perfect." My imperfections are what lead me to learning and discovery. And that, is all I have to say on comments made to that effect.

    It makes me smile when I see some here take words or sentences out of context and twist them to suit their own purpose or agenda. Again, read between the lines and for heaven's sake don't personalize comments that aren't...they are generalizations made through observation and completely subjective on my part. These are my opinions purely... although they are blessedly shared by others besides myself, as evidenced by the comments of those who truly understand the point I was trying to get across. Blinders are out of fashion, but apparently still worn by some.

    When I say "Peace " I truly mean it....
  13. by   adrienurse
    I feel that I have been helped immensely by being to put into words what drives me crazy about work. Everyone should have this kind of outlet.

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