Off the clock - page 2
Just an informal survey. What would you do if you knew one of your co workers was punching out, then coming back and doing her charting, all to avoid "getting in trouble" for too much overtime ? I know she is doing this. I know... Read More
- 2Mar 2, '13 by RNKPCEI think nurses do do a disservice by working off the clock, is it doesn't let management know how much time it really takes to get work done. If doesn't seem to management that patient care hours need to be increased, they will keep added tasks.
Recently with the changes in medicare reimbursement based on survey of patients post discharge our hospital has added extra things that we are required to do. There are only so many hours in a shift and if new things or expectations are added at some point something has to give, whether cutting corners or increasing overtime. Sometimes the only time charting can be done is when the next shift takes over the actual care.
I see people do this at my work too. I think a lot of it is driven by fear or repercussions of management having to pay overtime.
- 4Mar 2, '13 by KelRN215, BSN, RNQuote from healthstarThe problem is that it is illegal. If an employer has reason to believe an employee is working (and in this case it sounds like the boss is aware), they are required to compensate that employee for his/her time. And charting is working.I don't see a problem with this at all. She's not getting paid to catch up on her charting, the manager is not losing anything! Unless this is an ongoing thing , and if it is , she might need some better tips on organization and time management!
- 1Mar 2, '13 by RoseyposeyThis is illegal. It is not okay for your coworker to work off the clock; however, the person most liable for this is the supervisor who knows and continues to allow it to happen. This smacks of a lawsuit waiting to happen. And as pointed out by others, this is just further exploitation of nursing as a profession.
- 0Mar 2, '13 by jadelpn GuideIn some cases, it could be considered a HIPAA violation, as you are off the clock, you have no further "need to know". Commuter wrote a good article about this very thing:
- 0Mar 3, '13 by katherine100I worked at a hospital in NY where this non technical nurse did that BS all the time. She would stay about 2 to 3 hours after her shift charting....every day. She told me the hospital would never pay her that much overtime so she had to clock out and go back to charting. The NM knew this was going on. Her choice. One day I told her she should look for a clinic to work at. It would frustrate me that she would be in the nurse charting area or hours taking up space one of us needed to do our work.
- 0Mar 3, '13 by Orange TreeThere are rare days when I have to stay one or even two hours late, and I never work off the clock. On the other hand, I've worked with nurses who stay really late every day despite the fact that they have 20+ years of experience. They just can't seem to pull it together- even on a good day.
These nurses usually clock out before they're completely finished, although management doesn't ask them too. They do have a right to be paid for their time, but management has a right to replace them with people who work more efficiently, too. This nurse is more likely to get fired than showered with overtime. I would stay out of it.
- 3Mar 3, '13 by jbecerraWhy am I upset about this?? A number of reasons.....management is "cracking down" on overtime, but there is always something else that gets added to our workload. I also feel strongly that everyone should be compensated for their time. When I am at work, I give it 100%, but I am not staying there after I have punched out to work for free. It also. Bugs me that management is aware of this, yet it continues. Will I make a big deal about it??? NO. I need to do my job and not worry about what someone else does.
- 1Mar 3, '13 by SleeepyRNIll tell you why I did it. As a new grad starting in a skilled unit with 25 residents (mostly trachs, g-tubes and wound care) in my 2nd week I was told by ADON, "get out on time tonight." I had been staying about 1.5-2 hours past shift charting. Then they posted a notice that if you are not punching out on time, they will revoke your punching in and out, and do it themselves. Then they started suspending people. So a lot of people began working off the clock. All that time, I'm learning by my coworkers actions, so I started to clock out too and chart. Because if I left anything uncharted (I was still learning what even needed to be charted) the ADON would hunt us down the next day and say "you have charging owed to me." Then she would list the names of everyone who still "owed" charting and tape it to the nursing station desk. Once you completed your charting, you then were told to cross your name off the list. As a brand new grad, my hands were tied. It takes time to learn policies and procedures about what to chart, and it takes time to learn to navigate EMR. It takes time to learn time management. Also, our CNA's didn't take vital signs, we did. And in skilled care, the nurse had to be the one to do accuchecks. And 75% of my residents were accuchecks. Anyway, I quit that job after 2 months. I'm never working off the clock again. I'm currently looking for employment for my 2nd nursing job. I'm going to ask during my interviews what their expectations are of a new grad getting out right on time as soon as you're on the floor. I'm going to have to word it in a way that doesn't make me sound incompetent though.