Medication Aides - page 10

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  1. by   KRVRN
    I think part of why this sort of debate gets going is because the nurses talk about how they're unwilling to (and legally can't) delegate and the CMAs talk about how we think we're superior.

    Maybe this will help with that feeling a little. If I have a pt that needs an IV med, I can legally have my RN coworker give that IV med for me if I'm too busy. If he/she totally screws up giving that med and does something truly terrible (such as injecting air into the vein instead of the med and the pt dies, for instance), then it is not my fault, it's his/hers. (That is not to say that my name won't get drug into it too if there is a lawsuit, of course)

    So because of this, we RNs even have mental lists of which OTHER RNs we will and won't delegate tasks to! We all have at least one RN coworker that we would prefer not to delegate to! Even though the person is another RN, that doesn't mean I want this person to do something for me and then muddy up my shift and my pt.

    I'm not entirely sure why the certification/license/whatever of CMA exists since RNs are very clearly taught that we CAN'T delegate med administration to them.

    And besides that, we are also skeptical to delegate something to a person that is not a LVN/RN. Yes, a CMA has a course of X months long. Nurses get an entire course just on pharmacology and the knowledge is also integrated and reviewed in regards to various disease processes and conditions throughout the REST of the program as well. If all is well with the pt and it's merely a matter of reading the MAR and handing the meds to the pt, I'm sure a CMA is fully capable of doing it. It's the adverse reactions and drug interactions and changes in pt condition that make us too uncomfortable to delegate meds to a non-nurse. We're just not able to believe that a CMA's knowledge of medications and interactions and such compares.
  2. by   Karley9336
    Yesssss! Exactly! Well put!
  3. by   schmuffin
    I just want to say that I agree with all of you about this whole medication aide thing. How can you pay someone 8-10 dolllars an hour to do the same thing as what people go to school for, for 2-4 years....its nonsense. I am that someone. But i do agree, it is terrible. I kept refusing to do it for 5 years at my job, cause i didnt agree with it. But, for a little more money (and trust me, not much more than being just an aide) It has saved my back from so much pain.....and that is the only reason why i have done this.
  4. by   schmuffin
    i have to tell you,, i am a med aide. and where i work, no you dont have to be a cna...i am. but i refused to become a med aide for about 5 years...and only did to save my back. I think it is terrible, to trust people (anyone off the street) to sit throug 32 hours of class (if that) and then let them pass out meds...even give INSULIN!!!! believe me, i have all the faith in the world in myself....but so what. Its a sin to pay med aides practically nothing to do pretty much what the nurse is also doing.....and its a sin and a cut to nurses to trust us med aides to do a nurses job. the goverment really needs to put more thought into this whole thing....and it is a state by state program
  5. by   fish0685
    i live in texas and iam a medication aide. i went to college for 6months (at weatherford college) to become a certified medication aide. yes we are legal!!!!! and i get paid $14/hour. i work at a nursing home and we are an excellent help. if you worked in a nursing home environment you would know how much we actually are needed and a necessity. the nurses have so much work to do that they dont even have time to pass medication. yes we do administer narcartics (controlled substances) and yes we have to learn all the medication and the uses and side effects ect... we have to know all the right procedures and techniques to administer them as well. if you have any questions feel free to ask me. but iam kinda insulted that as nurses and such yahll cant even do a little research before you started saying rude and nonfactual information. doing a little research is a big part of your job. we as medication aides take a huge work load off the nurses back so they can focus on new admissions, paper work, wound changes, treatments ect...
    Last edit by donsterRN on Jun 11, '08 : Reason: edited the opening attack...
  6. by   BradleyRN
    Medication aides should not exist. Nurses must band together to fight against taking our skills and giving them to under-qualified persons. Sure we are overloaded with work, but they should hire more nurses to alleviate our burden. We should never accept an unsafe, undereducated "medication aide" to assist us. If they keep giving away our skills to uneducated people, soon we will be competing against them for jobs while they are willing to take half the pay. Then who do you think companies will hire? Im sorry medication aides, but you are just a scam to make more money by having less nurses perpetrated by greedy facilities. Quit your job today to give nurses and patients the justice they deserve! You are compromising our hard earned careers, and putting patients at needless risk. Finally, if you cant spell "narcotics", there is no way on this planet you should be administering them!
    Last edit by BradleyRN on Jun 5, '08
  7. by   schmuffin
    Its a shame that you are a medication aide and dont see the reality of it all. I also work in the same sort of setting as you do. Yes the nurses have a ton of work, but it should never be allowed to have someone do the same type of work, and have barely an education. 6 months is nothing compared to going to nursing school. sorry if i sound rude. the only thing we med aides are, are a cheap nurse....and its not right.
  8. by   schmuffin
    i totally agree with you. I feel like a terrible person still working in that position. and i only do it, cause now i dont have to go to the chiropracter once a week. and it pays a little bit more. i also went to nursing school but never finished. so i do have a little more trust in myself than others that they just pull off the street and have them become med aides. what is it gonna take??? something really really bad to happen to a patient before they look into this more??????
  9. by   Batman24
    If med aides were allowed to work in hospitals and we hired them I wouldn't work there any longer. I can't put my license on the line for someone else doing meds on my behalf. I know that sounds like a knock to med aides but it really isn't meant to be. It's a knock to the system that would allow unlicensed healthcare workers to do it in the first place.
  10. by   BradleyRN
    Thank you schmuffin! I am glad you got out of the backbreaking work of CNA, and that you see the atrocity that is being perpetrated here. Im sure many nurses in LTC are so happy to have a medication aide, but they are making a grave mistake having that perspective. We have to preserve each and every skill that is unique to nurses and fight tooth and nail to assure that they do not give them away! :spin:
  11. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from Batman24
    If med aides were allowed to work in hospitals and we hired them I wouldn't work there any longer.

    Me either. I'm sorry, unlicensed people should not pass any kind of meds...
  12. by   schmuffin
    I am probably the only Med Aide that agrees with all you nurses. But I started nursing school, although never finished. But i know how hard and demanding it is. And I feel like a hypocrite right now working as a med aide. It is terrible that the whole health care field is only concerning themselves with making and saving themselves a buck, and not the life of a human being.........
  13. by   egglady
    Quote from fish0685
    i live in texas and iam a medication aide. i went to college for 6months (at weatherford college) to become a certified medication aide. yes we are legal!!!!! and i get paid $14/hour. i work at a nursing home and we are an excellent help. if you worked in a nursing home environment you would know how much we actually are needed and a necessity. the nurses have so much work to do that they dont even have time to pass medication. yes we do administer narcartics (controlled substances) and yes we have to learn all the medication and the uses and side effects ect... we have to know all the right procedures and techniques to administer them as well. if you have any questions feel free to ask me. but iam kinda insulted that as nurses and such yahll cant even do a little research before you started saying rude and nonfactual information. doing a little research is a big part of your job. we as medication aides take a huge work load off the nurses back so they can focus on new admissions, paper work, wound changes, treatments ect...
    Well, I wish I could have learned all this in 6 months too. congrats on your 6 month "college degree". I work as a NURSE in LTC, and dont have med aids, gee, I do just fine......

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