Maintaining the license without work, and a general rant - page 4

by hotflashion 5,854 Views | 50 Comments

So, I'm one of those once-upon-a-time new grads who is no longer a new grad but who has been unable to find employment. I'm building this little patchwork of short term employment situations (camp nurse, flu shot nurse) and was... Read More


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    Quote from EmergencyNrse
    While it's human nature to complain I find it odd that so many "new grads" continually sit in a saturated market and complain there is no work.
    If I were an auto worker sitting in Detroit wondering when I could get hired building cars when no one is making cars I would have the same complaint.
    Here's a suggestion: Go where the jobs are...

    Florida, California... Hell, Texas is begging for nurses. Houston, Dallas, Killeen/Waco. (Waco was even offering money to relocate. When's the last time you've seen relocation money?)
    2009 and no job??? Laughable...
    NO jobs for new grads in Florida...what makes you think that there are? I have friends in So Fl that graduated in Dec 2010 and are still looking. The market is saturated.
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    If you cannot find work you ned to contact your congress. They believe we have an emergency shortage of nurses hense house bill 1929: i recently attended a townhall meeting in my state and they said i should have my pick of jobs. This is why they want to import 20000 foreign nurses.
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    Yeah right. I'm almost 38 and had 10 years of experience in another healthcare field. I was lucky enough to find a LTC position in my state of WA but I sure as hell can't move away for better work in my super-RN-saturated city! I have a house, a kid in school, a husband with a job we can't afford to leave, etc. Who but a fresh new 20-something grad can just move away for work? And does that work? I've certainly relocated for work in the past and it was HARD. Good luck to all!
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    Hmm. I was initially reading your post with empathy and understanding. Top of class, lots of extra activities, and the seeming motivation to plug away and do what it takes to find employment. Good on ya.

    But unfortunately when I got to the last few sentences of your post I thought I might understand the problem. Let's see: critical of other nurses that you don't even know (based on hearsay from PCTs??) Really? You deam others who have (the job you want) a job as lazy, inept, and lacking.
    If you come from a place of "I am the bomb" "first in my class" and think you are better, smarter, more caring than all the nurses currently employed maybe that is part of the problem. Maybe it comes across in the interiews. And yes, being older and overweight may play a part in not being hired. And that may not be fair but it is life. But I would work on the more sublte things. Maybe attitude and how you come across. Just a suggestion.
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    Quote from gettingbsn2msn
    If you cannot find work you ned to contact your congress. They believe we have an emergency shortage of nurses hense house bill 1929: i recently attended a townhall meeting in my state and they said i should have my pick of jobs. This is why they want to import 20000 foreign nurses.
    I think you are being charitable to imply that our elected representatives believe that we have an "emergency shortage of nurses". They pretend to believe it which gives them the cover for backing HR 1929. While the evidence is sketchy, I believe that the lobbying for this bill is for purely economic reasons: To keep or even increase the numbers of nurses in order to control costs.

    Nursing wages have increased quite a bit in the last decade and are now seen by many hospitals and health care companies as one of their primary cost drivers. In our open market system, the more attractive salaries draw more interest in nursing, which drives demand for more nursing schools, followed by increased numbers of nurses entering the practice and eventually the slowing or cessation of upward pressure on wages. This is market equilibrium and after a short period where supply and demand are in balance, the cycle would reverse. This is kind of where we are now in the economic cycle and in a truly free market, we would start to see a gradual reduction in the production of new nurses, in turn leading to a shortage and then eventually, a repetition of the cycle.

    In my view, we no longer have that free and open market guided by the "invisible hand" that Adam Smith envisioned. Again in my view, our economic system is now much more plutocratic than capitalistic with large corporations and the wealthy now enjoying an almost unrestrained ability to manipulate the market to their purposes. So those large hospital corporations, insurance companies and other health care corporations continue to push the "nursing shortage" through their lobbyists and the mantra is picked up by legislators who are dependent on these companies for the cash needed to fund their election campaigns.

    The end result is a bill like HR 1929, whose real purpose is to ensure the continuing oversupply of nurses in order to maintain wage pressure. A great side "benefit" of HR 1929 for its proponents is that potential nursing students continue to see government corroboration of the nursing shortage and so apply continuing pressure on nursing schools to maintain or even increase enrollment. Thus, the proponents of HR 1929 get the double benefit of both more foreign nurses and more domestic nurses in the job market. I believe that end result will be precisely what big health care wants: Continued downward pressure on nursing wages for a much longer period than would be the case in a truly free market system.

    I frankly hope to be proved wrong in this but have the sinking feeling that I'm largely on the mark.
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    Quote from Biffbradford
    I find it interesting how many times it's suggested that older RNs looking for work, should focus on nursing homes.
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    Yeah, the whole go where the jobs are thing just isn't realistic for many...even when I was young, there was no way I'd be able to relocate away from family and support system for various reasons.

    You've probably already pursued this avenue, but I figured I'd throw it out there anyway...

    What about a part-time job in a rural area? Even if a fair bit from where you live, if you could get two shifts a week back-to-back and stay in a cheap motel between those shifts, it could be workable. It was one of the things I looked into when I had to quit working agency many moons ago.

    Best of luck to you and everyone else looking in this sucky economical climate. We're living on the edge constantly b/c although I have a full time job, hubby's been out of work for going on three years now. My step-kids mom is a SAHM, can't find employment that makes it worth while to work (she's got three besides my step-kids with her hubby) and her hubsand is employed in an industry where it's not unusual to get laid off for weeks at a time between jobs. There's been multiple times in the last several years that I've been the only one out of the four parents who was employed. It just sucks out there.
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    Texas is not begging for nurses that's for sure. Texas is flooded with new grads & everyone with experience who can't get jobs anywhere else!! In my system we have 100+ people competing for one experienced slot in some cases..and there are zillions of new grads everywhere.
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    Ugh, the job market really is terrible, especially for new grads. And I completely agree about the unrealistic idea of moving across the country for jobs. I moved a couple states away and have spent almost a year looking for a job after looking at jobs in my home state. Now I'm out of money and have a SO, so moving would involve us both finding something in the same place and might be too expensive anyway.

    After reading this thread and another one, I'm becoming increasingly interested in other areas of nursing, areas completely away from bedside nursing but that I could still use my degree for. I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get a job without any experience. Any ideas? Unlike the original poster, I have absolutely no experience in anything other than nursing school clinicals. Are there other parts of the medical field I could get into? Non-nursing areas but that are willing to work with someone with a BSN?
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    Quote from I'm_reilly
    After reading this thread and another one, I'm becoming increasingly interested in other areas of nursing, areas completely away from bedside nursing but that I could still use my degree for. I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get a job without any experience. Any ideas? Unlike the original poster, I have absolutely no experience in anything other than nursing school clinicals. Are there other parts of the medical field I could get into? Non-nursing areas but that are willing to work with someone with a BSN?

    Check out the links I left for the OP in this thread. They may help get you started in looking at other options.

    Also, consider The US Public Health Corps, and consider going back to school for a MS in Healthcare Administration, a healthcare MBA, or Public Health.
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