LPN bashing... - page 6

:( Why do people not consider LPNs "real" nurses?? I have been an LPN for 6 yrs and I am SO sick of hearing people always point out that RNs can do so much more than I. So, why doesn't anyone ever... Read More

  1. by   nurs4kids
    Originally posted by Brownms46
    But too many times on here, I have seen that Susy k tends to jump into those issues that deal with race, LPNs, and welfare!...with most of them being negative remarks. I think it was back in a thread where she was accussed of being a racist...so I must not be the only one who has wondered!
    GASPS!! hmmm, suzy also tends to jump into those issues dealing with gun control, books, education, general nursing, ob, etc. God forbid she have opinions..and the guts to stick to her guns even if her opinion is unpopular! I still have NEVER seen her present herself as a racist.
  2. by   nurs4kids
    Brown,
    I'm not gonna fight with you over this LPN thing. I have tremendous respect for people in the way they carry themselves..I could care less what initials, if any, they have behind their name. Also, I don't live in TX, so I have no clue or care about the LPN regulations or lack thereof in TX.

    You're right about one thing, though. Hospitals do set regulations of their own, too. My hospital regulates LPN's to the extent that Head Nurses are starting to phase out the LPN positions. My boss has already said he will replace our only LPN with a RN when she leaves. Perhaps rather than your beef being with the RN's working beside you, you should be battling those setting the limitations...before LPN's are limited right out of a job. I think this was suzy's whole point from the beginning..no?
  3. by   night owl
  4. by   Brownms46
    No nurs4kids...I don't think it was her point at all. And I'm glad to read you don't want to fight...because fighting with you would hurt me deeply. But I will still state what I feel to you.

    As far as LPNs being pushed out of a jobs..I see nothing further from the truth! And I don't have a " beef" with RNs!! Just stating what I see and what many others see on regular basis...just as you stated what you see with LPNs you work with. I have no problem with anyone degrees, or the ability to do this or that...and really could care less.

    When there have been times when I did have a problem with the limitation, it was because an RN made a big deal out of having to do HER job! My best and closest friend is a BSN! Thankfully she and I can have this discussion, and being a former LPN for 3yrs , over 15yrs ago ...we can still DISCUSS it and be in total argeement with each other. Why ?? Because I respect her, and she respects me. Her other best and closet freind is a CNA...,who recently assisted her in getting exactly the position she a BSN wanted. She didn't let the fact that this friend was a CNA...close her mind to the fact that she might just know something. SHE IS my hero in more ways than one..!

    I have looked around the country, and found jobs for LPNs that reflects an increase into areas such as specialty units, case managment, UR, medical underwriting, research, occupational health, discharge planner, and even as a paralegal nurse. So NO! I see no shortage in positions for LP/VNs! In fact...it is getting really harder and harder to make decisions as to which job to choose..!


    Where I am right now...I have made more money then the RNs I worked beside. If they want to limit me..fine...I have NO problem doing less and making more money !! SoI had NO problem with being an LP/VN!! Proud and please as punch...with my limitations...and my ability to make EXCELLENT money! You have NEVER seen me write otherwise...and you have never seen me cry to whoa is me..song..about being an LPN!!

    But I will continue to state what I think when I read crap that states...LPNs ought to do this or that. I think I'm intelligent enough to decide what I need or don't need to do for myself! And I'm intelligent enough to state my own experiences...just like anyone else on here!
    Last edit by Brownms46 on Nov 3, '02
  5. by   Furball
    Whew...glad things cooled down so I didn't have to discharge anotherAFFLACK!!!!



    ok ok I won't do that again. I love that damn duck.
  6. by   LoisJean
    Hello:

    Okay, I won't get into it, I promise. However, I do have a couple of thoughts after reading ALL of these posts several times over.

    Thought #l: Please don't put a Licensed Nurse and a uap in the same catagory: puts me in a very bad mood.

    Thought #2: RNs will be overworked until the day comes when Licensed Nurses are put back into their rightful place along side of them to work together as a Professional Team Unit, (and I might add: stuck together like glue.) I might ask: is there a shortage of Licensed Nurses, too?

    Thought #3: Yes, I believe that Licensed Nurses (and by the way, I don't like the usage of the words, 'practical and vocational'), need to have a standardized scope of practice which is recognized from State to State and I mean, most definately, a PROFESSIONAL scope--license limitations do not negate professionality. And yes, Licensed Nurses need to become activists--but in order for that to happen we need the full support of the RNs and their respective associations...since in the majority of areas the BON is RN dominated AND the ANA, (dominated solely by RNs), is loathe to recognize the Licensed Nurse in any capacity.

    Thought #4: There is no way as an RN that I would work in an all RN/aide/uap workplace. As an RN I would demand Licensed Nurses or else I wouldn't work there. No way.

    Thought #5: What will nurses do when the day comes that the PhD Nursing Professionals are running the units and the MSNs are slinging the bedpans?--

    Remember: these are only thoughts.

    Peace,
    Lois Jean
  7. by   Q.
    Let me restate what apparently is seen as the most derogatory thing in the world that I could ever state:

    In response to this:
    Excuse me but in the state I work I am accountable and responsible for my actions unless I was delegated a nursing task outside my scope of practice as a LPN by a RN.


    and this:
    So just the fact you are a RN and I am a LPN and we have our own caseloads for the shift, you are accountable for the tasks that are in the RN scope for that client I have as my load, but everything else is mine.


    and so I pointed out that going back and forth about what an LPN can do in one area is totally irrelevant because it is NOT CONSISTENT. Therefore I stated:

    by Susy K
    I think LPNs need to get it together and form an organization specifically for them to regulate their practice and standardize things. It's entirely stupid to have an LPN in one state be able to work critical care independently, and in another state not. Rather than taking out this justified frustration on the RN, get it together, represent yourselves, and change your practice acts or your organization's policies!


    So, to anyone who is black, a Democrat or on welfare, or for that matter, an LPN, sorry if I offended you by suggesting that LPNs represent yourselves in the name of CHANGE.


    __________________
    Last edit by Susy K on Nov 3, '02
  8. by   rebelwaclause
    Originally posted by BelindaLPN
    I am SO sick of hearing people always point out that RNs can do so much more than I.
    ^5 Belinda. Me too. Even though LV/PN's know its true, no need to rub our noses in it and belittle our trade as worthless.
  9. by   Brownms46
    susy..don't tell me HOW "I" should respond to something YOU wrote!! You don't control anything I write, and when I have something to say to you.."I" will write it exactly the way "I" wish to say it...in respect to the rules on this board in the way I state IT !! And I don't report anything to MODs!! I respond to it or I ignore it!! MY WAY!!! "I" DON"T require YOUR instructions to do what "I" do, say or write what "I" feel is right for" ME"!! End of communication!!
    Last edit by Brownms46 on Nov 3, '02
  10. by   Q.
    Buh-bye now.
  11. by   Q.
    Originally posted by LoisJean
    Thought #3: Yes, I believe that Licensed Nurses (and by the way, I don't like the usage of the words, 'practical and vocational'), need to have a standardized scope of practice which is recognized from State to State and I mean, most definately, a PROFESSIONAL scope--license limitations do not negate professionality. And yes, Licensed Nurses need to become activists--but in order for that to happen we need the full support of the RNs and their respective associations...since in the majority of areas the BON is RN dominated AND the ANA, (dominated solely by RNs), is loathe to recognize the Licensed Nurse in any capacity.

    ^5. Thank you.
  12. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by night owl
    night owl.........I just saw your avatar with the person hiding behind the couch...and the smiley I think beating it's head against the door... funny as all get out!!!
  13. by   ShortFuse_LPN
    Could someone PLEASE tell me how to ask a mod to close this thread? As it has gone ridiculously off course!

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