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Brownms46

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Specializes in Everything except surgery.

And fine nurs4kids...I'm glad you do hate welfare...and I hope you never have to use it, or any other program that assist those who need assistance. For those who abuse the system, I feel they shouldn't be able to! But I also feel there are reasons for why they do, and they are varied, and aren't solved by just telling them to go to work!

I work and have NEVER used welfare, even as a single mom! When it took THREE jobs for me to make ends meet I did it...without FOOD STAMPS...and WITHOUT Medicaid..or any other kind of ASSISTANCE from government subsidies ! I sent my children to private schools, and I pay my daughter's FULL tutition WITHOUT the use of government grants, or loans!

But too many times on here, I have seen that Susy k tends to jump into those issues that deal with race, LPNs, and welfare!...with most of them being negative remarks. I think it was back in a thread where she was accussed of being a racist...so I must not be the only one who has wondered!

Second.. I have NEVER referred to myself as "JUST an LPN!!! NO where will you EVER find that written BY ME!!! And I have no reason to NOT be proud of what I do...and I'm making a lot more money than some folks, with a lot more LETTERS behind their name! And just because the LPNS you deal with Nurs4kids where you work at have a problem, and sit on their butt...I and other LPNS have seen RNs do the same thing!! But I have stated many times...just because you're an RN doesn't mean you have the same feeling about EVERY LPN. And EVERY LPN doesn't feel the same way about EVERY RN!! One more clarification here...TEXAS doesn't have a practice act, and LVNs there do NOT come under one!

And every LPN isn't restricted the same way, and it isn't always the BON who is restriciting them. Many times it is the hospital, and in several hospitals, what LPNS can or can't do is guided by the RN committees, that come up with the standards for that hospital! Yet even though the BON in that state doesn't restrict the LPN in certains duties, the commitees of a hospital does!

And who is on the BON of nursing in many states...especially the ones where RN and LPNs go thru the same Board??? RNs...so who is making those restrictions?? RNs And who is complaining about them...RNS!! And when the CALI board proposed to rewrite the restrictions placed on LVNs by hospitals reading into the what an LVN could or couldn't do in the form of IV therapy...it was RNs who tried to stop it! Thankfully they were unable to!!!:D

And the Texas board is no near as restrictive with what an LVN can or can't do . Why?? Because the LVNs are on that board with ONLY one RN and she is in the position of educator. It is the an LVN who is the president of the board, and the majority that board are LVNs with a total of 7 in all!

For those RNs who see the worth and the ability of LP/VNs to assist and be a contributing member of the healthcare team....I salute you...because you are more rare than you know! And for those who feel there shouldn't be any LP/VN in acute care...too bad there are...and as far as I can see they will always be!:D

Last comment on this subject...but I felt Susy K's response was waaaaaay over the top! But from now on...I will resist responding to such antagonist posts in the future...because it only serves to continue to divide us...and that is what we really need in this field is more division...yeah right!!

Q.

2,259 Posts

Specializes in LDRP; Education.
Originally posted by Brownms46

But too many times on here, I have seen that Susy k tends to jump into those issues that deal with race, LPNs, and welfare!...with most of them being negative remarks. I think it was back in a thread where she was accussed of being a racist...so I must not be the only one who has wondered!

And this has to do with LPNs how.......?

:confused:

Brownie, do us all a favor. If you openly want to accuse me of being a racist or any other "hate crime" on this BB, do it in a PM. Or if you think a post of mine is hateful, report it to a mod. But don't continue to post inflammatory comments - I feel THAT only serves to stir up trouble..far worse than me suggesting that LPNs band together for the purposes of change, which you seemed to think was the absolutely worst thing I could ever say.

Tweety, BSN, RN

34,218 Posts

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Originally posted by Stargazer

O/T, but I did want to respond to this. 3rdShift, I'm sure your intentions are benign, but FWIW, I've worked with both docs and nurses who do the "MY nurses" thing, and I've never met a single nurse who wasn't annoyed, offended, or insulted by it. My personal feeling is, it's patronizing and a bit of a power play. Unless you sign their paycheck, they're NOT "your" nurses.

Your mileage may vary. I'm just sayin.'

O.K. Thanks for pointing that out. (BTW where are you? Perhaps it's a southern thing? Because I've never heard anyone complain when it's meant lovingly). Not to get defensive, since I don't use it that often, usually with staffers or managers "my nurses need more help!". (The staffer calls all of us her nurses too, and she has no authority over us, and I've never heard a complaint). But I hear you and understand what you are saying.

Again, I hope my insult didn't overshadow my initial point which is I have to utmost respect for LPNs, their assessment skills, their experience and knowledge etc. But perhaps because in an RN that sounds too insincere and too demeaning? Is it possible that there are RNs out there that respect LPNs?

Flo1216

428 Posts

KTWLPN-You seriously need to get a grip. I don't deny "lpn bashing" exists. I simply don't see it existing in my workplace. If people are "lpn bashing" ignore them. You are not going to change their perception. Why lose sleep over someone else's ignorance? If you know you are a good nurse and a " real" nurse, then why should it matter what anyone else thinks? I have a handicapped brother who previously was taken care of by a full time RN. She has since been fired and replaced by a full time LPN who is wonderful and we wouldn't have it any other way.

Flo1216

428 Posts

P.S. KTWLPN- I just thought I would let you know that I have been working as a CNA the entire time I have been in school. Never once have I placed myself above ANYONE. I think you are ridiculously defensive without cause and are reading into things and turning them into something they are not.

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent,"-Eleanor Roosevelt

nurs4kids

753 Posts

Specializes in Pediatric Rehabilitation.
Originally posted by Brownms46

But too many times on here, I have seen that Susy k tends to jump into those issues that deal with race, LPNs, and welfare!...with most of them being negative remarks. I think it was back in a thread where she was accussed of being a racist...so I must not be the only one who has wondered!

GASPS!! hmmm, suzy also tends to jump into those issues dealing with gun control, books, education, general nursing, ob, etc. God forbid she have opinions..and the guts to stick to her guns even if her opinion is unpopular! I still have NEVER seen her present herself as a racist.

nurs4kids

753 Posts

Specializes in Pediatric Rehabilitation.

Brown,

I'm not gonna fight with you over this LPN thing. I have tremendous respect for people in the way they carry themselves..I could care less what initials, if any, they have behind their name. Also, I don't live in TX, so I have no clue or care about the LPN regulations or lack thereof in TX.

You're right about one thing, though. Hospitals do set regulations of their own, too. My hospital regulates LPN's to the extent that Head Nurses are starting to phase out the LPN positions. My boss has already said he will replace our only LPN with a RN when she leaves. Perhaps rather than your beef being with the RN's working beside you, you should be battling those setting the limitations...before LPN's are limited right out of a job. I think this was suzy's whole point from the beginning..no?

night owl

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Brownms46

1 Article; 2,394 Posts

Specializes in Everything except surgery.

No nurs4kids...I don't think it was her point at all. And I'm glad to read you don't want to fight...because fighting with you would hurt me deeply. But I will still state what I feel to you.

As far as LPNs being pushed out of a jobs..I see nothing further from the truth! And I don't have a " beef" with RNs!! Just stating what I see and what many others see on regular basis...just as you stated what you see with LPNs you work with. I have no problem with anyone degrees, or the ability to do this or that...and really could care less.

When there have been times when I did have a problem with the limitation, it was because an RN made a big deal out of having to do HER job! My best and closest friend is a BSN! Thankfully she and I can have this discussion, and being a former LPN for 3yrs , over 15yrs ago ...we can still DISCUSS it and be in total argeement with each other. Why ?? Because I respect her, and she respects me. Her other best and closet freind is a CNA...,who recently assisted her in getting exactly the position she a BSN wanted. She didn't let the fact that this friend was a CNA...close her mind to the fact that she might just know something. SHE IS my hero in more ways than one..:D!

I have looked around the country, and found jobs for LPNs that reflects an increase into areas such as specialty units, case managment, UR, medical underwriting, research, occupational health, discharge planner, and even as a paralegal nurse. So NO! I see no shortage in positions for LP/VNs! In fact...it is getting really harder and harder to make decisions as to which job to choose..:D!

Where I am right now...I have made more money then the RNs I worked beside. If they want to limit me..fine...I have NO problem doing less and making more money !! SoI had NO problem with being an LP/VN!! Proud and please as punch...with my limitations...and my ability to make EXCELLENT money! You have NEVER seen me write otherwise...and you have never seen me cry to whoa is me..song..about being an LPN!!

But I will continue to state what I think when I read crap that states...LPNs ought to do this or that. I think I'm intelligent enough to decide what I need or don't need to do for myself! And I'm intelligent enough to state my own experiences...just like anyone else on here!

Furball

646 Posts

Whew...glad things cooled down so I didn't have to discharge anotherAFFLACK!!!!

ok ok I won't do that again. I love that damn duck.

LoisJean

214 Posts

Hello: :D

Okay, I won't get into it, I promise. However, I do have a couple of thoughts after reading ALL of these posts several times over.

Thought #l: Please don't put a Licensed Nurse and a uap in the same catagory: puts me in a very bad mood.

Thought #2: RNs will be overworked until the day comes when Licensed Nurses are put back into their rightful place along side of them to work together as a Professional Team Unit, (and I might add: stuck together like glue.) I might ask: is there a shortage of Licensed Nurses, too?

Thought #3: Yes, I believe that Licensed Nurses (and by the way, I don't like the usage of the words, 'practical and vocational'), need to have a standardized scope of practice which is recognized from State to State and I mean, most definately, a PROFESSIONAL scope--license limitations do not negate professionality. And yes, Licensed Nurses need to become activists--but in order for that to happen we need the full support of the RNs and their respective associations...since in the majority of areas the BON is RN dominated AND the ANA, (dominated solely by RNs), is loathe to recognize the Licensed Nurse in any capacity.

Thought #4: There is no way as an RN that I would work in an all RN/aide/uap workplace. As an RN I would demand Licensed Nurses or else I wouldn't work there. No way.

Thought #5: What will nurses do when the day comes that the PhD Nursing Professionals are running the units and the MSNs are slinging the bedpans?--

Remember: these are only thoughts.

Peace,

Lois Jean

Q.

2,259 Posts

Specializes in LDRP; Education.

Let me restate what apparently is seen as the most derogatory thing in the world that I could ever state:

In response to this:

Excuse me but in the state I work I am accountable and responsible for my actions unless I was delegated a nursing task outside my scope of practice as a LPN by a RN.

and this:

So just the fact you are a RN and I am a LPN and we have our own caseloads for the shift, you are accountable for the tasks that are in the RN scope for that client I have as my load, but everything else is mine.

and so I pointed out that going back and forth about what an LPN can do in one area is totally irrelevant because it is NOT CONSISTENT. Therefore I stated:

by Susy K

I think LPNs need to get it together and form an organization specifically for them to regulate their practice and standardize things. It's entirely stupid to have an LPN in one state be able to work critical care independently, and in another state not. Rather than taking out this justified frustration on the RN, get it together, represent yourselves, and change your practice acts or your organization's policies!

So, to anyone who is black, a Democrat or on welfare, or for that matter, an LPN, sorry if I offended you by suggesting that LPNs represent yourselves in the name of CHANGE.

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