Is leaving before hurricane abandonment - page 6

Hello all, so I am located at the very end of south Florida near the keys! My question is simply this, I'm supposed to work weekend during this hurricane which some are saying could be deadly. I have... Read More

  1. by   Nikki_BC
    I do agree with the others, you really should have planned better! Your son should already be with family outside the path of Irma! And I understand that you and many people were probably hoping that Irma would miss the mainland as many have before, but as we all found out this week, that is not going to happen!!! That is part of being a responsible adult and parent! Hell it is part of being a somewhat smart human being!!!

    But I get it, sh*t happens, things get in the way, life gets carried away! The safety of your family is ultimately number one in the grand scheme of things!

    So here are my suggestions and thoughts.... take them however you want.... sorry if I repeat other comments, I thought I read them all!

    So here goes;

    Are you part of a union??? If you are, speak to them.... there has to be policies in place to help you!??

    I mean if your home is in an unsafe place and you are actually being evacuated, there must be stipulations where you are safe if you leave and not go to work!?

    And if you are on evacuation, whether it is an alert or order, is your place of employment not in the same area? They should have been evacuated long before now?! I live in BC Canada and we are currently on fire, a good chunk of our province has already burned down or is in the process of burning. In my health authority as soon as a place was on alert they evacuated all the patients and residents to the closest (and safest) city until the orders and alerts are lifted! We have some patients in my hospital who have been evacuated for weeks!! All staff were not expected to be at work if their home or family were in imminent danger! We had plenty of other staff members who stepped up, whether paid or not to help! Is your area not the same!?

    If this is not the case then:

    I would sit down with my husband and figure out which job is the one that you cannot live without at this time. Which has not only better pay. But benefits, seniority, vacation & sick times, advancement ability, pensionable years built up, a pension, etc! There is more to a job then just money! Then from there the person who you decide has the job that is critical to your home life stays and the other takes the child to safety!

    Now on another angle, do you not have someone who could swap You and allow you the extra time to take your child to safety? Does your husband? Could you not speak to a manager, make sure baseline has been filled and shown up for the shift, then leave and take your son? If it has not been met then you stay until baseline is met? Could your husband not ask the the!? I know hour husband probably shouldn't take your child to his work, but, could you not just bring your son to work? Have him stay in the staff room with things to keep him occupied so at least he is close if things go bad in your works area? Then when you had the adequate time off you could take him to safety!?


    When you and your husband work, who takes care of your son? Daycare? Nanny? Could they not take him with them until it is safe? Being that it is a crisis and you both are essential services, wouldn't the person you trust to watch your child be a good option?

    Your family in Atlanta, could they not come to You and pick up your son!? Could they not meet you half way to cut down on the time needed to take him out of the danger zone!? Is there really no one!?

    Then if all options are exhausted call in sick..... I mean they technically cannot fire you for being sick!?? I know in my job they cannot, no matter how much they want to.... even if you're caught off on sick time, but out having fun! They have to go through the proper procedures before they can, and you would need warnings, verbal and written. They would need proof you're a bad employee!! And you could always gwt your family doctor or a walk in clinic doctor to write you a sick not! So I mean that is an option! And due to privacy laws, they are not even allowed to ask you why you were sick or anything .... so they don't need to know it was to take your child to family !

    Ultimately, I do believe unless you signed a contract stating, and it would have to be pretty darn specific, you HAVE to be there.... they cannot really fire you for being sick!

    Good luck and be safe!!!
    xoxo
  2. by   julianp
    It amazes me how unprepared people are in general. I live in an earthquake zone so the best I can prepare for is to make sure my family has food, water, and defense. But given how cheap the building I work in is it's likely that it'll be gone when I show up for work.
  3. by   OnOn2NICU
    Our hospital policy only exempts per diems if they are on storm duty at another facility, if you have a child under 2, are primary caregiver for children or elderly, etc.
  4. by   GLORIAmunchkin72
    Quote from Emjay274
    If you're under a mandatory evacuation order, how can they fault you? The hospital in the Keys is air-transporting patients to another state, by cargo plane, so I'm sure this is resolved by now.

    However, your son is not required to work, and you are legally required to protect him by following state and federal orders. Failing to follow an evac order seems to mean you'd be prioritizing them over him. That just isn't an option for me.

    I would go, and if I had to find another job, I'd say I was in an evac zone and my son was unsafe if I worked because he needed to be evacuated.
    And the hospital should evacuate too so we don't find the patients in the news waist deep in water.
  5. by   Emmasmom03
    They most certainly can let you go. We just went through this in Houston and we had to work - either during the storm or after. We were locked in for 96 hours. Everyone is expected to work.
  6. by   Emmasmom03
    Exactly. None of us wanted to be at the hospital for 96 hours during Harvey and most were not scheduled to work, but sometimes we have to change our plans.
  7. by   dla1618
    I thought southern Florida hospitals moved their patients to other hospitals.....unless this isn't a hospital. Screw them.....your child's safety is more important to you...but I'd quit before getting fired. As far as it being the employees responsibility to show up and do their job.....that was an ignorant thing to say because this isn't a normal circumstance. People going to their job in this can get killed. What kind of job would she do and safely at that, if she is always worried about her child. It sounds like you don't have local family like many others don't have. Remember, get it straight.....your family is first, regardless of your job.
  8. by   CoffeeYogaNurse
    I'm not sure if everyone saying you "have to stay or you'll lose your liscence", or those advocating to stay because you said you would, are aware that some parts of the Keys are potentially going to be UNDER WATER for a few days? I'm sure a lot of people have wished they were Mermaids (me me!) but we're not, and a hospital without power is a bad situation. Check out what happened at Memorial Hospital in New Orleans after Katrina (it's really scary and sad though so be warned). OP stated she lives close to the Keys, and has a small child. The facility she works for is saying she'll be "reported for abandonment" if she doesn't come to work? Reported to whom? That makes no sense.
    OP if you don't take an assignment (clock in, get report) you're not "abandoning" any patient, just your job. If you truly feel like you or your child will be in harms way due to this hurricane, leave. Just know that when you leave you may just wanna consider it quitting because you very likely may be fired. Is you and your child's safety worth getting fired? Mine would be.
    However, if you feel like you will be safe at your facility and can make arrangements for your child to be out of harms way (maybe baby goes north with dad, grandparents, friends, etc.) you could stay and help. That may make you feel like you are doing what is "right", and you will certainly have something awesome to put on your resume and feel like you helped your patients in a time of an even larger crisis than the one that put them in the hospital. This is also an option for you.
    Do not let anyone make you feel like you have to stay, just know the consequences if you leave and be prepared. To suggest that you should somehow put your duties as a nurse over you or your family's safety is ludicrous.


    *Sorry for the rant, I'm just sick of this norm perpetuated by so many that we should just silently keep going even if it's dangerous, even if patients and doctors and families abuse us, even if we hate it, even if your town is SUBMERGED IN WATER. I signed up to be a nurse, not a soldier or sacrificial lamb.
  9. by   CoffeeYogaNurse
    Quote from dla1618
    I thought southern Florida hospitals moved their patients to other hospitals.....unless this isn't a hospital. Screw them.....your child's safety is more important to you...but I'd quit before getting fired. As far as it being the employees responsibility to show up and do their job.....that was an ignorant thing to say because this isn't a normal circumstance. People going to their job in this can get killed. What kind of job would she do and safely at that, if she is always worried about her child. It sounds like you don't have local family like many others don't have. Remember, get it straight.....your family is first, regardless of your job.
    Preach!
  10. by   nannieb
    By now, residents in south Florida have a mandatory evacuation. This is a catastrophic weather event. There will be many jobs , and Florida will suffer greatly ... and hospitals , etc will be needing any and all help after this storm is over. I hope you evacuated. A mandatory evacuation is just that... the government and local authorities demand that you leave asap. We live in Louisiana- our daughter, her husband and their pets had a mandatory evacuation which they heeded. They lost all of their possessions( their home got 4 ft of water during Katrina , in the New Orleans levee breach in 2005 ) ... but their lives were saved by evacuating. As I type this, Irma winds are 155mph.
  11. by   nannieb
    Amen!
  12. by   CoffeeYogaNurse
    Quote from dstee009
    If you are a HEALTH CARE worker then you know the dangers going in. Do what you want but you are not very good at your job if you want to flee when there could be danger. We are there to help those in need, imo, you are selfish and need not be in health care if your first instinct isnt to stay. get your family out or bring them to the hospital with you. People like OP are in it for the money, plain and simple. If you truly care about what you do as an RN, Dr. etc. then you wouldnt be TRYING to run. you would be trying to stay. I say all this as someone that sent my wife north a few days ago and without hesitation stayed to work through the storm here in Florida. if the medical field in the worst of times isnt for you, then you need to find another career.
    Good for you! Want a cookie? I'm not sure I could reach you on that high high horse though.

    OP knows what she can handle and doesn't need you to say what her limits are, or decide she's "selfish" and "just in it for the money" for prioritizing her family over her patients.

    Nurses are humans, not robots. Some will leave, some will stay and quietly care for their patients, some will loudly proclaim that they stayed and condemn anyone who doesn't. We aren't all going to make the choice you would have made and that does not make anyone a selfish or bad nurse. Ease up on the judgement.
  13. by   julianp
    I'm hoping you got paid for all that time as well.

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