Gay Boomers and nursing attitudes - page 8

I read an interestiing article, in the NYT, today. Apparently the first wave of gay boomers have begun to hit our LTC, Assisted Living, home health agencies. And more and more of them are being... Read More

  1. by   fronkey bean
    Quote from James Huffman
    I'll throw in my 2 cents on semantics.

    Calling it "the f-word" (or "the n-word") only means that we cause the reader to supply the offending word in their mind. I'm not sure why we (as a society) can't simply use the words if we feel like we have to. I think these circumlocutions are a symptom of our society's inability to deal with straight talk. (OK, that sounds funny given the present discussion, but you know what I mean :spin

    In other words, I'm not suggesting insulting anyone, but why do we have to avoid the words in discussions like this?

    B/c the words are so negatively charged. If we ever want to make progress toward a more understanding relationship among different groups, we have to have discussions like this, but we can't have them using the derogatory, biggotted slang of the past. Using the euphamisms is cumbersome in speech but it lets others know that we want to talk about this subject in a way that is not offensive to you.



    Quote from Noryn
    If you can say it without offense then it must not be offensive. I dont see how words can take on a different "meaning" simply by the color of someone's skin or lifestyle. Otherwise people are not going to accept this and actually develop either resentment or the feeling that it is socially acceptable to use the word. Just like the "N" word, black leaders have came out and strongly denounced use of this word by anyone. You cant only denounce some people while turning a blind eye to other people.

    If the word is truly that offensive, and I am aware of how offensive it is, in my opinion you would drop it from your vocabulary like I have.

    Mabey, but when a group who has suffered having certain words spoken to them in hate I think it has a unifying effect to speak the word to each other. For instance there are several words and phrases that I don't mind my female friends using when refering to me or other women but I would be insulted if a man used them, not highly insulted but insulted none the less.
  2. by   teeituptom
    maybe they need a Gay Nurse Forum set up in All Nurses
  3. by   woody62
    I posted this thread as an attempt to start a discussion about the attitudes of non-gay health care professionals, toward their patients who are gay, or homosexual, or transsexual, or even bisexual. And for the most part, this has been achieved. Some have denied they have any gay boomer's (I used the term boomer's because as of yesterday, the first person of that generation, filed for social security. And therefore the numbers would increase in facilities) in their facilities, although I do not know how they determined this. Others admitted they did and some were appalled at the attitudes of others toward openly gay patients or residents. Perhaps therein lies the answer of not having any gay patients, because they have learned to conceal their sexual orientation, rather then face the derision they received. And like it or not, just like any other group, that some in society believe is different from the majority, they are treated differently from the more acceptable groups.

    Woody
  4. by   Tweety
    Quote from teeituptom
    maybe they need a Gay Nurse Forum set up in All Nurses
    Nope. We can handle ourselves very well in society as we've been doing all our lives, thus don't need a separate forum, we have the same issues in nursing as most of you do. Society sometimes can't handle us, but too bad. We're here.............
  5. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from woody62
    I posted this thread as an attempt to start a discussion about the attitudes of non-gay health care professionals, toward their patients who are gay, or homosexual, or transsexual, or even bisexual. And for the most part, this has been achieved. Some have denied they have any gay boomer's (I used the term boomer's because as of yesterday, the first person of that generation, filed for social security. And therefore the numbers would increase in facilities) in their facilities, although I do not know how they determined this. Others admitted they did and some were appalled at the attitudes of others toward openly gay patients or residents. Perhaps therein lies the answer of not having any gay patients, because they have learned to conceal their sexual orientation, rather then face the derision they received. And like it or not, just like any other group, that some in society believe is different from the majority, they are treated differently from the more acceptable groups.

    Woody
    it's truly sickening, isn't it?

    as another example re the fear and ignorance in society, i am beginning a long process of applying for a position in a public health hospital.
    this facility is owned by the state.
    the hospital exclusively serves the indigents (with a hospital-supplied homeless shelter), prisoners, medicaid recipients, uninsured, mentally ill, with a very notable focus to the AIDS population and latest research.
    it has the latest technology, and a wonderful, wonderful reputation of its nsg staff.

    yet, the people i have chosen to share this with, look at me incredulously...
    that how could i even imagine wanting to work in a place like 'that'?

    i have to smile, and shake my head.
    it's truly disheartening to experience the dejection of those who are deemed unworthy of competent, compassionate care.

    perhaps this is why this particular hospital is so segregated in its services?
    that only those who choose to work there, are those with interests in working with these populations.

    maybe, if there is a threat to the gay boomers, of being abandoned in their time of need, that select facilities should be created in treating another underserved segment.

    you think medicare would see the need?

    leslie
  6. by   sharona97
    Leslie,

    Your post speaks volumes for the compassionate nature of nursing. I am much happier reading and participating in future endeavors, rather than argueing over who or what makes a better nurse.


    Thank You!
  7. by   sharona97
    Quote from Tweety
    Nope. We can handle ourselves very well in society as we've been doing all our lives, thus don't need a separate forum, we have the same issues in nursing as most of you do. Society sometimes can't handle us, but too bad. We're here.............
    Nicely said Tweety!
  8. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from Tweety
    We're here.............
    and we're....gay???

    leslie
  9. by   ElvishDNP
    Quote from earle58
    yet, the people i have chosen to share this with, look at me incredulously...
    that how could i even imagine wanting to work in a place like 'that'?

    i have to smile, and shake my head.
    it's truly disheartening to experience the dejection of those who are deemed unworthy of competent, compassionate care.
    That is really cool, Leslie.

    I know what you're saying. I used to work in a community health center that served almost exclusively un-, underinsured, or Medicaid, mostly non-English speaking, mostly very poor migrant farmworkers, and many were illegal immigrants. Many people kind of looked at me like I had 3 heads. But I loved it with all my heart, and it is still my first love. I will probably go back to it at some point, at least on a part time basis. Not really on-topic, but in the same vein at least.
  10. by   Noryn
    Quote from woody62
    I posted this thread as an attempt to start a discussion about the attitudes of non-gay health care professionals, toward their patients who are gay, or homosexual, or transsexual, or even bisexual. And for the most part, this has been achieved. Some have denied they have any gay boomer's (I used the term boomer's because as of yesterday, the first person of that generation, filed for social security. And therefore the numbers would increase in facilities) in their facilities, although I do not know how they determined this. Others admitted they did and some were appalled at the attitudes of others toward openly gay patients or residents. Perhaps therein lies the answer of not having any gay patients, because they have learned to conceal their sexual orientation, rather then face the derision they received. And like it or not, just like any other group, that some in society believe is different from the majority, they are treated differently from the more acceptable groups.

    Woody
    I dont think you are reading my posts. There is not anyone on here that truly believes there are no gay people in long term care. That part of my post was a stab at humor over Ahmadinejad stating that 3 weeks ago when he was here in the US. He was asked about executions of gay people in Iran and he said that there were no gay people in Iran, they did not have that phenomenon.
  11. by   Noryn
    Quote from earle58
    and we're....gay???

    leslie
    That just doesnt have a good ring to it. Something is wrong, just cant put my finger on it................
  12. by   CRNA2007
    Is this a legitimate story or more of the NYT's sensational journalism. I find it hard to believe anyone is treated differently because they are gay. Everyone is taught in nursing school a non judgemental approach and I find this story dubious at best. Thsi is the same newspaper that brought us Jason Blair's mythical journalism. No longer a newspaper of record in my book.



    Quote from woody62
    I read an interestiing article, in the NYT, today. Apparently the first wave of gay boomers have begun to hit our LTC, Assisted Living, home health agencies. And more and more of them are being belittled, receiving less then quality care, being transfered to units that are not appropriate to them because of other residents. I am wondering, has anyone encountered this yet? What has happen? What is your attitidue? What is being done to correct the problems?

    Woody
  13. by   kanzi monkey
    ROFL!
    Quote from earle58
    and we're....gay???

    leslie

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