Family Member Watching Pro-terror/ Anti-America/ Anti-Semitic video

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Would love to know your thoughts.

A coworker was stunned to go into a room and find a parent watching an pro-terrorism, anti-America, anti-Semitic video. Allegedly, it was calling for the destruction of the president, America, Jews. She was horrified at the content and even more so horrified that the parent was watching in front of the child, and didn't seem to care if she heard.

She called Risk Management who said there was nothing to do, because it would be a violation of HIPAA.

I felt DCS should have been called because it is emotionally abusive to subject a child to hate speech. (we're talking actual hate speech, here). She was going to consult with a social worker on this aspect.

I also suggested she make an anonymous FBI and/or Homeland Security tip.

Please discuss.

Specializes in Pedi.

I have a few thoughts on this.

1) Risk Management would have no interest in this and were not the appropriate people to contact.

1a) Reporting behavior of parents is not a HIPAA violation though. As pediatric medical personnel, we are mandated by law to report suspected abuse/neglect and the behavior of a patient's family member has nothing to do with HIPAA.

2) If what the parents were watching was deemed against hospital policy for watching on the hospital's WiFi or anything or with the volume on in the presence of the child, that would be up to the Nurse Manager, Social Work and/or Security to address with the parents. We had many a parent when I worked in the hospital who we had to sign "behavior plans" with and the hospital's counsel consistently held that it was a privilege, not a right, for the parents to be permitted to stay.

3) This is not a child protection issue.

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Specializes in Pediatrics Retired.

You can't have an opinion about something without being judgmental. Everyone has their opinion...and that's OK. Mine is if I see something that I "judge" as antisocial behavior, I'm saying something.

I totally understand and accept if you think otherwise. I totally understand I can't change your "judgement" which has formed your opinion.

I think it's a good thread...engages a diverse group.

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Specializes in ER.
You can't have an opinion about something without being judgmental. Everyone has their opinion...and that's OK. Mine is if I see something that I "judge" as antisocial behavior, I'm saying something.

I totally understand and accept if you think otherwise. I totally understand I can't change your "judgement" which has formed your opinion.

I think it's a good thread...engages a diverse group.

It gets old when someone's only argument is "You're judgmental!".

So, you are judging me to be judgmental?

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Specializes in Pediatrics Retired.
It gets old when someone's only argument is "You're judgmental!".

So, you are judging me to be judgmental?

Aye! Guilty! Judgingly speaking...

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Specializes in ER.
Aye! Guilty! Judgingly speaking...

15. John 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

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I'm fine with being judgemental, I just want a lot of information before I pronounce my verdict.

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Specializes in ER.

Just my 2cents -

If the video appeared to be some sort of propaganda or training video then it needs reporting. Your local anti-terrorism police dept will be very interested.

I used to work home health in Europe and would sometimes go into a home where just such a video was playing, an instructional 'build-your-own-bomb' kinda thing.

I had no problem making an anonymous 311 call and invariably the apartment became 'of interest' to them.

On more than one occasion, I would visit the same home for a follow up visit and find a full-blown police raid, they had discovered a bomb factory.

Terrorism has become a high tech business, dependent on networking. If you can block just one part of it, you are saving lives.

Or you can just ignore it, hide under the carpet when the bomb comes and wonder why nobody said anything.

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Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.
I would feel "not right" about it too...especially if the parent is trying to indoctrinate his/her child. .

Many christian parents indoctrinate their children with their beliefs from a very young age yet no one raises an eye brow

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Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.

I was watching a UK documentary called generation jihad. Its a three part series on you tube.

One of the cases discussed was a young muslim bloke who was taken in for questioning after it was found he had downloaded an Al Quadea training manual.

This lad was a university student who was doing his research on something along the lines of the implications of terrorism on the global world stage. He'd downloaded the training manual from the FBI website.

My point?

There are many people out there who want to do us harm. Dont so caught up in looking out for terrorists under every rock that we go after those who have legitimate curiosity and reason to access the information and miss the bad b******s who are actually out there doing the harm

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Specializes in ER.
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My point?

There are many people out there who want to do us harm. Dont so caught up in looking out for terrorists under every rock that we go after those who have legitimate curiosity and reason to access the information and miss the bad b******s who are actually out there doing the harm

So how do you tell the difference?

Teens are going into schools and killing their peers, and doctors caring for gymnasts are abusing them.

Who can tell which ones are really dangerous and who is safe?

Until anyone has an answer for that, suspicious behavior should be monitored and reported. Unless you are one of those people who don't get concerned about a backpack left on a train.

Until it explodes of course, and the everyone blames everyone else for not reporting it.

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Specializes in Pediatrics Retired.
Just my 2cents -

If the video appeared to be some sort of propaganda or training video then it needs reporting. Your local anti-terrorism police dept will be very interested.

I used to work home health in Europe and would sometimes go into a home where just such a video was playing, an instructional 'build-your-own-bomb' kinda thing.

I had no problem making an anonymous 311 call and invariably the apartment became 'of interest' to them.

On more than one occasion, I would visit the same home for a follow up visit and find a full-blown police raid, they had discovered a bomb factory.

Terrorism has become a high tech business, dependent on networking. If you can block just one part of it, you are saving lives.

Or you can just ignore it, hide under the carpet when the bomb comes and wonder why nobody said anything.

Eyewitness trumps being judgmental...this post says it all!

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Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
I understand what you are trying to say, however I'm also paid to protect my patients, and I think subjecting children to hate speech is actual abuse (actual hate speech, not outrage culture hate speech). Also, I didn't actually judge their beliefs. I just said it should be reported to the appropriate channels. For all you know, I share their beliefs and watch the same kind of videos. (I don't, actually, but I refrained from posting judgement).

In almost every state the law expressly states that any reasonable suspicion of child abuse/neglect is to be reported by mandated reporter. So pick up the phone and make the report. CPS with figure out if it is abuse or not but you have done your due diligence.

Hppy

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