Ethical Debate: Organ Transplants - page 3

3rdShiftGuy had a great ethical question in the 17y/o organ transplant tragedy that somewhat went unanswered. I think it would be a great thing to debate and discuss, but to avoid confusion and hurt... Read More

  1. by   SharonH, RN
    Susy, to be perfectly honest it doesn't bother me one bit. Non-Americans are limited to receiving only 5% of transplant operations anyway, and as far as I am concerned the lives that are being saved are human lives, not foreigners. It's too bad that so many cannot see that. Now the greater question that disturbs me is why aren't there more organ donations? I think that is a dilemna that deserves far greater attention. My uncle was fortunate enough to receive a kidney transplant back in the 80's which he ultimately rejected after a couple of years, but for those couple of years he was like a new man and I for one am grateful that he had that chance.
  2. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by wv_nurse 2003
    In my opinion (my opinion only) people come to the US for transplants because we are felt to have the most experience, the best qualified physicians, and perhaps better success (no I can't back this up with statistics--just speaking on thought). I also think that because we are the "land of opportunity" and have an open door boarder--they stand a better chance here than in their native countries because we base transplant priority on NEED, not money (although I am not convinced this is entirely true--but its what we say)--just my thoughts
    That is probably a true statement. But should they be allowed on the list the same as the rest of us?
  3. by   Tweety
    Sally, I wasn't questioning the facts and what IS their policy.

    I was asking should it be their policy not to acknowledge origin and move people up without regard to citizenship?

    Our hospital does organ donations, and I worked beside the unit that took care of the patients prior to surgery, and gave support. It can be quite a challenging experience.
  4. by   ktwlpn
    I don't believe an alien(legal or illegal) should be permitted to buy themselves an organ transplant-getting an organ while tax paying citizen of this country dies.....Furthermore-all those folks on death row could really give something back to society by becoming donors-forget the electic chair or the lethal injection-strap them to the gurney and wheel them to the OR.....And while we are at it let's do away with "life sentences" and make them all donors...Crisis solved....
  5. by   sunnygirl272
    Originally posted by ktwlpn
    I don't believe an alien(legal or illegal) should be permitted to buy themselves an organ transplant-getting an organ while tax paying citizen of this country dies.....Furthermore-all those folks on death row could really give something back to society by becoming donors-forget the electic chair or the lethal injection-strap them to the gurney and wheel them to the OR.....And while we are at it let's do away with "life sentences" and make them all donors...Crisis solved....
    WOOT....dunno if you were being snarky or serious...but i think it's a rocking idea....it'll never hapen...but it rocks....
  6. by   shay
    Well, my dh refuses to be an organ donor because he doesn't want his organs going to criminals and illegal aliens instead of law-abiding citizens. Just a little food for thought.

    I myself, while I understand a parent's drive to do anything and everything for their kid, do not agree with giving illegal aliens organ transplants unless they pay for them out of pocket.

    ITA with whomever said we help out other countries way too much. No doubt.
  7. by   BadBird
    I have less problems with foreigners obtaining transplants than alcoholics getting new livers, I don't think they deserve. We are told that the organs are given to the sickest but I have a few friends who work on transplant units and they say money talks and it is usually foreigners that pay the big bucks for them, remember how hospitals run, for profit first. I hope and pray that I never have to face a transplant issue with anyone in my family.
  8. by   baseline
    Or people getting open-heart who won't quite smoking.........talk about raising the cost of health care....but thats another thread!!!
  9. by   fergus51
    Are you all putting illegal aliens in the same boat with legal immigrants? Personally, I see no difference in legal immigrants and Canadian born (or American born) citizens. If they came here legally and work legally and pay taxes, they are contributing as much, and sometimes more, than any other citizen born here. I do have a problem with illegal immigrants getting transplants here.

    That said: Americans and Canadians DO go to other countries to get organs, specifically the live donor organs like kidneys. They go to Asia and buy them. Not any better than illegal aliens taking ours IMHO. It is immoral and taints the whole organ transplant issue.
  10. by   fergus51
    Oh and in case Susy brings it up I am not at all biased being a foreign born American citizen or anything LOL!:roll
  11. by   wv_nurse 2003
    Originally posted by fergus51 (quote)
    "Americans and Canadians DO go to other countries to get organs, specifically the live donor organs like kidneys. They go to Asia and buy them. Not any better than illegal aliens taking ours IMHO. It is immoral and taints the whole organ transplant issue"

    And I think this is really what makes my stomach turn, how is this going to affect the number of people willing to consider organ donation.....
  12. by   fergus51
    Originally posted by wv_nurse 2003
    Originally posted by fergus51 (quote)
    "Americans and Canadians DO go to other countries to get organs, specifically the live donor organs like kidneys. They go to Asia and buy them. Not any better than illegal aliens taking ours IMHO. It is immoral and taints the whole organ transplant issue"

    And I think this is really what makes my stomach turn, how is this going to affect the number of people willing to consider organ donation.....
    I am COMPLETELY with you on that one. Personally I wish organ donation was a given unless the person has gone to the trouble of taking themselves off the donor list, not the other way around. I am actually wearing my organ donor shirt as I type this. The front says "Recycle yourself" and the back says "Please don't take your organs to Heaven, Heaven knows we need them here". My lovely aunt is alive today thanks to a live donor kidney transplant, so I am a bit biased.
  13. by   hoolahan
    I have to agree that money talks here. When the former Governor of PA needed a new liver, BOOM, he went straight to the top of the list. I have never seen anyone get a new liver so fast!!

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