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Dropping Magnet - page 5

I found this interesting. One of this regions largest health system's flagship hospital has dropped it's Magnet certification. They have been certified since 2004 and was the first hospital in the... Read More

  1. Visit  meanmaryjean profile page
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    Quote from Altra
    As an alternative to Magnet, the ANCC's Pathway to Excellence program is generating some buzz. Notably, it omits the 80% RN-BSN and all supervisors/managers/nursing executives have at least a BSN requirements. And it's less costly.

    Basic standards are here: Pathway Self Assessment Tools -- see the Self-Assessment pdf file.

    Fee structure for obtaining Pathway to Excellence: Pathway to Excellence Program Fees

    Fee structure for obtaining Magnet: Schedule of Fees

    *jaw drops over the fees
  2. Visit  BlueDevil,DNP profile page
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    I'm not surprised. I think Magnet served a purpose in some markets, and obviously some systems found it worth the investment to attract the employees they wanted. They no longer need it, and so it isn't worth the expense. What surprises me is that anyone finds that fact that things change over time surprising, lol. The "Magnet" label will fade into obscurity, but the trend toward preference for BSN education is not going to reverse, if that is what some are hoping. Magnet will be replaced by something else with a new label. The only constant is change.
  3. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    What surprises me is that anyone finds that fact that things change over time surprising, lol. The "Magnet" label will fade into obscurity,
    *** I find your comments condecending. I have not read of anyone expressing suprise that things change over time. Being well aware that things change over time doesn't mean we should comment on them when they do change.

    but the trend toward preference for BSN education is not going to reverse, if that is what some are hoping.
    *** I don't know about that. I think it's just as likely that the BSN and ADN will both become obsolete and MSN will be the prefered entry to practice degree. I think that is part of the reason for the push for DNP for APNs.
    I could already make a case that the BSN is obsolete.

    The only constant is change.
    *** Thank you Captain Obvious.
  4. Visit  WeepingAngel profile page
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    Quote from meanmaryjean
    *jaw drops over the fees
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  5. Visit  hav2nurse profile page
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    I have worked at several magnet hospitals (as a traveler and full-time RN), and I find them to be the best places to work. The facility I currently work at is trying to become magnet and I can tell you the process is very long and does include implementing many changes. Magnet required Evidence Based Practice, goals, nurse career ladders, nurse certification, BSN nurses, and many outcome measures that are compared to a national data base. I find these to be all good things; however, the problem I usually see is that the facilities don't know how to get nurses "buy-in," and instead just start making changes without really relating the message to nurses.

    There are manys studies that support decreased nurse turnover, increased nurse satisfaction etc. I wouldn't say patients necessarily look for a magnet hospital, but to be maget you have to prove that you have many great process (inlcuding patient satisfaction & safety) measures in place. Many of the requirements will fit right into the new healthcare laws and requirements. Also, I have noticed that many goverment funded healthcare programs are requireing evidence based practice so if you are not familiar with how to conduct an EBP project then you could loose funds for many needed healthcare programs that could not survive without additional funds from the government.

    With change comes pain and growth, and its up to each individual to choose which one will affect them the most. Today nurses have to be lifelong learners due the constant change.
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  6. Visit  C-lion profile page
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    I went out of my way to find a non Magnet, non religious, publicly owned, union hospital. I have never been treated better or paid better.
    I am furiously making notes...for the future, of course. Here in the South there are no Unions and nearly all hospitals are religious-affiliated.
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  7. Visit  VICEDRN profile page
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    I worked at a hospital that dropped its application process. My husband worked at another hospital that also dropped its magnet application. My old hospital simply did market research that revealed its patients didn't care what qualifications the nursing staff had. They were interested in two things: their doctor and proximity to their home.

    The hubby's hospital dropped it application due to excessive costs.

    As an er/icu nurse pair, we both felt there was nothing in it but aggravation for us. The only thing it seems to add are costly management positions that create dramas out of nothingness,

    I briefly worked for a magnet hospital when we moved to our present city. It was the worst er I have ever been in and I left after a week! I will never go back to a magnet organization. And yes, I think the bloom is off the rose for most organizations.
    OCNRN63, Not_A_Hat_Person, and PMFB-RN like this.
  8. Visit  meanmaryjean profile page
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    Anybody ever read the fairy tale "The Emperor's New Clothes"? Yeah...
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  9. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from C-lion
    I am furiously making notes...for the future, of course. Here in the South there are no Unions and nearly all hospitals are religious-affiliated.
    *** Right, I know. Exactly why I choose not to live there. That and the very low pay and not so low cost of living. may not be as high as NY but about the same as many other areas that also offer high pay relative to cost of living.
    One thing I have noticed. If you want to make good money, be treated decently, have good benefits, and enjoy a reasonable cost of living, you are going to have to learn to like snow.
  10. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from hav2nurse
    I have worked at several magnet hospitals (as a traveler and full-time RN), and I find them to be the best places to work. The facility I currently work at is trying to become magnet and I can tell you the process is very long and does include implementing many changes. Magnet required Evidence Based Practice, goals, nurse career ladders, nurse certification, BSN nurses, and many outcome measures that are compared to a national data base.
    *** Or at least the appearance of those things. I have seen all those things come, then see them go away again as soon as Magnet is achieved, only to reappear again 4 years later.
    Hygiene Queen and wooh like this.
  11. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from PMFB-RN

    *** Or at least the appearance of those things. I have seen all those things come, then see them go away again as soon as Magnet is achieved, only to reappear again 4 years later.
    That's a fauxMagnet hospital. They are trying to "keep up with the Jones', lol.

    I never been employed at a Magnet Hospital or facility that does that. EBP is used so much, in each step, it becomes so ingrained, you see it in your dreams, lol...

    I've also worked at facilities that were not Magnet, and had the same practices go on. At this point, providing a standard of care is becoming more related to CMS and nursing outcomes. I really don't think it will be something that a hospital will have to invest into in the future.
  12. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from LadyFree28
    That's a fauxMagnet hospital. They are trying to "keep up with the Jones', lol.

    I never been employed at a Magnet Hospital or facility that does that. EBP is used so much, in each step, it becomes so ingrained, you see it in your dreams, lol...

    I've also worked at facilities that were not Magnet, and had the same practices go on. At this point, providing a standard of care is becoming more related to CMS and nursing outcomes. I really don't think it will be something that a hospital will have to invest into in the future.
    *** Faux Magnet, or all of the 6 or 7 Magnet hospitals I have worked in in 3 states. With the exception of BSN nurses my current hospital employs all the things you mentioned and they are not only NOT Magnet, but have never had any intention of being so.
    OCNRN63 and wooh like this.
  13. Visit  Havin' A Party! profile page
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    Liked the visual, Weeping.


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