Dropping Magnet - page 3
I found this interesting. One of this regions largest health system's flagship hospital has dropped it's Magnet certification. They have been certified since 2004 and was the first hospital in the state, outside the state... Read More
- 3Jun 25, '13 by PMFB-RNMagnet isn't a big deal in my area, so educate please. All I know is a magnet hospitals prefers all BSN nurses.
Why is this hospital dropping the status? Does it cost money to start and stay in the program?
Why lay off nurses?
If they have to keep the status, why is care deteriorating? You would think it would be the opposite.
- 1Jun 25, '13 by PMFB-RNQuote from anotherone*** It may well be the case the case that the hospitals that have lower ratios are also Magnet. However the two aren't really related. I have worked at two hospitals that went through their "Journy to Magnet". During the run up to certification ratios were lowered and the units staffed better. That, and many other things, went away as soon as Magnet was achieved.Why are they the least desired in your area? In my (?) experience / investigating magnet hospitals have lower nurse to pt ratios then the non magnet ones in the same area. As a med surg nurse that is the first thing I think of when looking for a new job
The reason they are employers of last resort for me and many of my friends is poor staffing, tyranical and abusive managment, often unsafe working conditions, low pay and poor benifits.
- 4Jun 25, '13 by That Guy, BSN, RN, EMT-BQuote from Havin' A Party!Which is about where 90% of our problems as a profession lie. The other 100% is with the patients thinking they are always right.Understand this.
As has been stated, "Magnet" was primarily a promotion for nurses. The failure to carry it over as a successful message for the public means it's no longer a viable investment.
I know my math sucks.
- 3Jun 25, '13 by blondy2061h, MSN, RNQuote from PMFB-RNThis was my exact experience when my hospital went through Magnet. I'm personally on a handful of our committees that make us look so good when Magnet comes, but most meetings I miss because our staffing isn't sufficient for me to leave for 2 hours for a meeting in the middle of the day.I have worked at two hospitals that went through their "Journy to Magnet". During the run up to certification ratios were lowered and the units staffed better. That, and many other things, went away as soon as Magnet was achieved.
- 2Jun 26, '13 by brandy1017Quote from Havin' A Party!OK, so one take-away is work harder, study more, obtain additional certifications, spend more of your time and money away from family / friends / hobbies... and then be the first to get fired.
Oh, okay... I think I get it now.
It's sad but true. In good times hospitals may expand their nurse educator and CNS positions, but in down times and to save money they lay them off. You need bedside nurses and even bedside nurses are sometimes laid off, but they can get by with less admin both management and education if they have to. They can stretch them to do more jobs and save money. I read back in the day it was such nurses with MSN in education that then transitioned and went back to school for FNP to find a job.
- 0Jun 26, '13 by xoemmylouoxQuote from ♪♫ in my ♥I know all about this. Patients get to be downright abusive and we're supposed to smile and say thanks. Oh yeah and apologize if anything is inconvenient for patients, even if it's their faults. I never worked at a magnet status hospital, but know several nurses who did. They also said staffing was great leading up to the certification. Once achieved they dropped back down.And then we have the "Guest Services" department.
- 4Jun 26, '13 by TaitI worked in a wonderful Magnet hospital. While there were problems, as with all systems, I don't believe anyone considered Magnet to be something worth "dropping". Moving into 5th designation this year I fear mergers and changes may make this path difficult for them.
In regards to someone who mentioned that their facility wasn't any different with or without Magnet, that there is the exact issue and most likely the reason the designation was lost. Magnet is a recognition for a culture of EBP, teamwork, and nursing led leadership. If it isn't there, then slapping Magnet on the door isn't going to bring it in.
PS. I was an ADN when I worked for this Magnet facility. It isn't all BSN, it is a goal of 80% BSN by 2020.