Dropping Magnet - page 3

I found this interesting. One of this regions largest health system's flagship hospital has dropped it's Magnet certification. They have been certified since 2004 and was the first hospital in the... Read More

  1. Visit  Baubo516 profile page
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    PMFB-RN -
  2. Visit  xoemmylouox profile page
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    Quote from ♪♫ in my ♥
    And then we have the "Guest Services" department.
    I know all about this. Patients get to be downright abusive and we're supposed to smile and say thanks. Oh yeah and apologize if anything is inconvenient for patients, even if it's their faults. I never worked at a magnet status hospital, but know several nurses who did. They also said staffing was great leading up to the certification. Once achieved they dropped back down.
  3. Visit  Tait profile page
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    I worked in a wonderful Magnet hospital. While there were problems, as with all systems, I don't believe anyone considered Magnet to be something worth "dropping". Moving into 5th designation this year I fear mergers and changes may make this path difficult for them.

    In regards to someone who mentioned that their facility wasn't any different with or without Magnet, that there is the exact issue and most likely the reason the designation was lost. Magnet is a recognition for a culture of EBP, teamwork, and nursing led leadership. If it isn't there, then slapping Magnet on the door isn't going to bring it in.

    Tait

    PS. I was an ADN when I worked for this Magnet facility. It isn't all BSN, it is a goal of 80% BSN by 2020.
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  4. Visit  evolvingrn profile page
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    well we just were told today we are restructuring and getting higher patient ratios and less training. awesome.
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  5. Visit  ChristopherB profile page
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    I always saw magnet as a marketing tool than anything else. If Magnet was really about better patient care and better nursing, the requirements would be completely different.

    I've worked at both magnet and non magnet hospitals and never saw the difference in my day to day work or the patient care.
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  6. Visit  BonnieBorcyk profile page
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    Care is deteriorating, because many of the people in charge of MAGNET status are MSN nurses or higher who came from another program like Business or something, and they got an accelerated degree in nursing. These people don't have the nursing experiences of someone who started at the bottom, like a CNA, LPN or low-level RN. They get the higher education, and hospitals hire them for management positions, or even higher than that. If you are being directed by someone who doesn't know your job, too many changes are made, and care drops. Nurses are unhappy with their work, so they go into other areas like community health, and you get a lot of just out-of-school nurses training other newer nurses. Some people think just because you have a higher degree, you're smarter and are easier to train.
  7. Visit  justavolunteer profile page
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    I am 'justavolunteer'. The hospital I volunteer at was magnet for 3 years & recently dropped it. They have recently announced layoffs, reduced, more pts. per nurse & CNA etc. A big part of magnet is asking nurses how they feel about their jobs. With all that's happend recently, the magnet attempt would have been dead out of the starting gate.
  8. Visit  netglow profile page
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    Re: the poster who commented that ...The Institute of X recommended Magnet...

    Dontcha know, that EVERYBODY does understand, that anything healthcare and esp. Hospital network-related that has the name of: The Institute of (____________) is totally made up marketing too?! I mean, seriously?!
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  9. Visit  Flyboy17 profile page
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    Quote from BonnieBorcyk
    Care is deteriorating, because many of the people in charge of MAGNET status are MSN nurses or higher who came from another program like Business or something, and they got an accelerated degree in nursing. These people don't have the nursing experiences of someone who started at the bottom, like a CNA, LPN or low-level RN. They get the higher education, and hospitals hire them for management positions, or even higher than that. If you are being directed by someone who doesn't know your job, too many changes are made, and care drops. Nurses are unhappy with their work, so they go into other areas like community health, and you get a lot of just out-of-school nurses training other newer nurses. Some people think just because you have a higher degree, you're smarter and are easier to train.
    You took the words out of my mouth. Anymore when I hear MSN, I usually shudder at all the stupid, pointless, and meaningless things that will change in a hospital then watch it crumble because those masters prepared nurses that couldn't run a code if they had to dont do pt care therefore cannot manage it.
  10. Visit  Kencanwin profile page
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    perhaps they realized they could discriminate against ASN/ADNs without the designation.
    Speaking as a nursing student on the outside looking in, it appears Magnet status is exactly what is states a STATUS nothing changes on the inside of these hospitals aside from the fortunate nurses who get there BSNs paid for or reimbursed.
  11. Visit  NicuGal profile page
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    When we first received Magnet status, it really did improves my things at our hospital, but we also had a new and very strong VP of nursing who was very much on our side, visible and always there to support her staff. She retired about a year ago and the changes are very apparent and on a downhill slide. Also, the
    Money involved is becoming an issue, we are a county hospital and that is money we really don't have.
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  12. Visit  Nurse.Plink profile page
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    It is a theory of mine that Magnet was started from a thesis of an academic nurse preparing for their doctoral prep..True, the ANCC "owns" the copyright (and financial incentive) on magnet recognition but really where did it originate? I've looked on the website and i can't tell.

    It is ridiculous to me that the efforts to minimize the efforts of ADN vs BSN prepared nurses are not sufficient for quality bedside care. Its another hierarchy in the quest to create professional nursing autonomy from physicians and it has the nursing profession caught in a useless dialogue about which is better magnet or non magnet hospitals...

    at the end of the day, i just see many different types of nursing care delivery models...whatever your organization chooses to focus on as the model of the decade----fine. what does not fade away though trends in healthcare is your personal professional practice. Every licensed nurse in this country is responsible for their own definition of professional excellence and so if the place i work has magnet or not---whatever, because I own the exclusive rights to my nursing care-thats what really matters.

    I've often wished that managers of nursing units were required to work a 24 hours per 0.9FTE...lack of direct bedside work lets one easily forget the issues that impact your fellow nurses.
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  13. Visit  gypsyd8 profile page
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    Quote from Flyboy17
    You took the words out of my mouth. Anymore when I hear MSN, I usually shudder at all the stupid, pointless, and meaningless things that will change in a hospital then watch it crumble because those masters prepared nurses that couldn't run a code if they had to dont do pt care therefore cannot manage it.
    I have been a RN since 2004. I am getting my MSN because I want to improve the system. with people like you it will certainly be a challenge. Maybe you could go to school and use your excellent skills to help instead of tearing others down?
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