Do Nurses Earn Big Money? You Decide. - page 9
Am I the only one who becomes at least mildly irritated whenever a random individual finds out that someone is a nurse and proceeds to say, "You're rolling in the big bucks!" To keep things... Read More
Nov 27, '12Not to mention, yeah we all make big bucks unless and until the door is slammed in our faces by layoffs, downsizing, being topped out and easily replaced by new grads, what have you. There is no option to be stagnant. You had better be trying to expand your skill set, or at least doing a dern good job of pretending to do so, or you will be first on the chopping block.
I do admit, that extra 50 cents an hour they pay me to be responsible for the whole floor full of patients and what each nurse might be doing or not doing to said patients, and telling me or not telling me about their worsening condition while they're documenting "charge nurse aware...." that extra 6 bucks comes in quite handy when paying for my lunch every day. Or a Starbucks. Yes, I am rolling in the dough.
Nov 27, '12Quote from tewdlesIt's not just a few though, tewdles...My bold and italic.
I had a family member like that. The family spoke to her...let her know that it was NOT OKAY. Some of us helped her with job skills, resumes, transportation, etc. She got off her arse and got productive.
The system is there for people who need it. Some people will always abuse it. In my thinking, that does not mean that we should treat all persons receiving aid as cheats and consider cutting the safety net for many because of the bad actions of the few.
I've personally known dozens of people who abuse the system. Most are even under the impression that they are "entitled" to it-their words, not mine. About a week and a half ago, I asked one of them how it is fair for taxpayers to work their a** off to live the same life that you live for free, plus work hard enough for you to live that way? You know what his answer was "Well, they made the money here, why can't they help the rest of us?" That is what happens when someone gets too much help. And it is not just a few tewdles. Please reread my post that you quoted...
Your friend is the exception, not the rule.
Nov 27, '12Quote from Aspirational BeautyYou see, this is what I don't have a problem with! It is the irresponsible ones who abuse the systems I refer too.I am doing my prereqs now maintaing A's and B's. I knew before I started theses prereqs that the money wouldn't be bookoo dollars. I am doing this because helping people is my passion and I love science and medicine. Unfortunately I get assistance and I have two part time jobs and a two year old. I had to move back home. I shop for MY clothes at thrift stores trying to save every penny of what is left of my paycheck and financial aid after I pay bills and rent. I do this because I know I will need the financial support in the long run. If only everyone else didn't squander away their full financial aid.My goal isn't a fancy car or a big house but to have a stable career that I will for the most part I know I will enjoy. I talk about this all the time with my classmates, if your in it for the big bucks choose another career. And when the time comes I will get cut off from my assistance. But I am grateful for the assistance I get. Without it I wouldn't be able to go to school because no one would be able to watch my lil one during the day. And this is coming from a person who despised public welfare most of my life till I was faced with needing it. There are definitely two sides to Carla's story and Commuter told it pretty well. And kudo's to all of the hard working nurses and nursing students out there for choosing nursing as their career.
Good luck, Beauty.
Nov 27, '12Quote from erocI have never thought it was quite proper for people who handle human lives to be paid less than plumbers, for example. I appreciate plumbers, I'm only using them as an example, there are many other examples I could have used. They work in the "hard and dirty" category a lot, but I don't quite understand our societal values.Sure i'm gonna get hate for this, but here's my thoughts.
I have been an shipyard worker, worked for years in construction, and run my own business for many years.
And for the benifits nurses get...I consider them fairly compesated.
I seem to hear alot of complaining about how hard the job of a nurse is, and I agree I don't fully know yet, but it can't be harder than a much more phsyically demanding job, that also requires heavily dealing with customers. I only have my wife to gauge how tough it is, beacuse she has worked along side me, as well as being a RN for the past 2 years, (she works in the ER now) And she feels as though nurses tend to complain more than is necessary about how tough their jobs are, especailly since they are fairly compesated.
Now i still need to take the Nclex-RN and pass, but I highly doubt is going to make me want to go back to Sandblasting steel ships in 100+ degree weather, filthly to the point of being black from dust, for LESS MONEY.
Thing is if you think you have it bad....someone else has it worse.
Everyone thinks they should be paid more...
BTW, I have made $65k a year without a high school dipolma...working 80+ a week. So I know all the factors, of taxes. And I wouldn't ask for a handout making $10 an hour.
Sports figures, actors, millions. Then there are nurses. Go figure.
Nov 27, '12Profit isn't a bad word. Back before the economy tanked, when they would slide that paper down to me with the hourly rate during an interview, that was my chance to negotiate. I can't wait until it gets that way again. I was soooo surprised how many accepted that rate, and never even attempt getting closer to the number in their head. All they can say is "no," or we can't afford that- but you would really be surprised even in this economy, after the job offer, they decided they want you, now is your chance to aim higher. I have only once accepted an offered rate, because I was really surprised what they offered. I will say it again, all they can say is "no." There's nothing wrong with desiring a good living, and I do believe in an intangible higher power though I felt "called" to be a comedian- look at there outlook
Nov 27, '12Just going to add that in this economy, I have seen some more "perks" instead of higher pay, (e.g. Doubling Vacation Time, Double Holidays, or they paid you for a certain hour base- even if you work 36. OT was still given. I'm just saying Negotiate. You will be surprised.Last edit by BostonTerrierLoverRN on Nov 27, '12
Nov 27, '12Quote from Kooky KorkyCoupled with the fact that these millionaire "professional" football players have multiple kids by multiple mothers they end up not being able to support when the gravy train (their career) ends abruptly...I wish I didn't like NFL so much, because I hate the thought of giving them any money, even by just watching on tv.I have never thought it was quite proper for people who handle human lives to be paid less than plumbers, for example. I appreciate plumbers, I'm only using them as an example, there are many other examples I could have used. They work in the "hard and dirty" category a lot, but I don't quite understand our societal values.
Sports figures, actors, millions. Then there are nurses. Go figure.
Since I have moved to a large city I was going to buy tickets to one game and got disgusted by the prices. I can't believe people pay that to watch a football game. Whoever said "I am part of what's wrong with healthcare," well, society's priorities are what's wrong with America.
Nov 27, '12Quote from BrandonLPNI'm probably not in an objective position to judge what equals "big bucks" compared to most here. I have no kids and own my own house and make a little over 50k. I know I am in a position to have WAY more disposable income than most here.
With that said, I never cease to be
shocked by people who clearly live beyond their means and then complain about how hard they're "struggling". Barring medical issues or other unforeseen acts of God, I see no reason why a family with 3-4 kids making 50k a year would "struggle". No family "needs" two cars or a big house in the suburbs or name brand anything. That's not struggling, that's just called not having all the crap you want. Think about the fast food working single mother family in Detroit. Now THATS struggling. I think 50k a year for a family is more than sufficient for a perfectly comfortable lifestyle. Our society's definition of struggle shows we really don't understand that word.
Of course, all this is neither here nor there regarding whether or not nurses are compensated fairly compared to other professions. Remember, though, compensation isn't related to how *hard* or a job is. Or I would have made more moving furniture. It's all about supply and demand.
OK, but once you have a family, get back to us on that. You are speaking, admittedly, from lack of direct insight and experience on the matter. On that income, that family will probably not be able to buy a home, unless they have a huge down payment, which was gifted to them. I mean you make a good point about people not cutting back or living beyond their means. OTOH, it's a lot different story when you are trying to life that way with gas prices, escalating cost of food, trying to put some money into a 529 college savings fund for your kids (cause if higher education is outrageous now, well you can only imagine what it will be in another 15 years), tucking away into 401K, utility bills and taxes that are incredible. You have to consider where the people live as well. The cost of living in some states is significantly greater than others, and salaries are no longer rising to compensate.
A family of 4 may need two cars, mind you, they don't have to be new. But again you have to consider where the people live, and if that $50,000 is coming from two salaries or one. And God forbid if you child wishes to become involved in extra curricula activities. Wow, that will come up and strike you from behind.
It's a lot different living as a single person compared with a family. A lot. We don't live in the agrarian society, where having kids adds value, b/c it adds hands to work on the farm. It's basically a net loss to have kids, not that people shouldn't have them, in fact, with rising elderly, and less and less reproduction among young people, we may have some real concerns for survival in the next several decades.
I'm just saying, truly, it's a lot different being single as compared with living as a family. And I didn't even talk about every darn time you take the kid to the dentist, and the dental plan only covers so much, and you get bills beyond what is covered by insurance for all kinds of breaks and injuries--kids, well, they will be kids, and it will cost you. Good to have them? Yes; but they are not cheap. I mean we have got to get real about that.
Nov 27, '12Its funny that you should mention plumbers... my brother is in his 3rd year of his apprenticeship as a plumber and makes $1 less an hour than I do as an RN in a dialysis unit... and yep next year he will be making $3 more an hour than me while he is still considered a student. I often tell him while I respect what he does and there is definately a need for his craft... I dont think those dealing with human lives should make less than someone playing with pipes
Nov 27, '12Quote from BostonTerrierLoverRNI hear what you are saying. AS for this:Profit isn't a bad word. Back before the economy tanked, when they would slide that paper down to me with the hourly rate during an interview, that was my chance to negotiate. I can't wait until it gets that way again. I was soooo surprised how many accepted that rate, and never even attempt getting closer to the number in their head. All they can say is "no," or we can't afford that- but you would really be surprised even in this economy, after the job offer, they decided they want you, now is your chance to aim higher. I have only once accepted an offered rate, because I was really surprised what they offered. I will say it again, all they can say is "no." There's nothing wrong with desiring a good living, and I do believe in an intangible higher power though I felt "called" to be a comedian- look at there outlookQuote from BostonTerrierLoverRNI think we might see some up and down, but overall, no. We are heading for big time inflation. It ain't gonna be pretty--nothing at all like we have been used to. Seriously. So to respond to you comment on "I can't wait until it gets that way again," um, I think that is going to be one mighty long wait. Just looking at the big picture is all.Back before the economy tanked, when they would slide that paper down to me with the hourly rate during an interview, that was my chance to negotiate. I can't wait until it gets that way again.
Nov 28, '12I understand how you feel, and yes- I may be in a breadline next year, but throughout American history (Great Depression, .com bubble, credit crunches, fiscal cliffs). It has always gotten better. I hope my optimism isn't disappointed- but I think you will see a great re-emergence of the shortage again- it will begin regional and spread, but yes I believe it will get better, and soon. Eternal Optimist
Nov 28, '12Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSEDPoint taken. When I read the article, I interpreted it as Carla raising 3 kids on 12/hr and she got assistance with rent, childcare, and food. If the government assisted her with something, that doesnt mean that everything was free on her part. 12/hr is $25,000 a year. So without childcare assistance she would pay at LEAST $10,000 a year in childcare alone. My point was that the government only gives the poorest of the poor assistance. 12/hr for a family of 4 is living BELOW poverty level. The government's help brought her up no farther than poverty level and RN's live no where near there.If this is true, I'm happy to hear it. But in the OP's article, s/he tells up that the assistance from the government paid for her home, childcare and food. My comment was toward that. If it doesn't happen in your state that is fantastic, but I see that happen ALL THE TIME here in Vegas. And I saw in EVERYWHERE growing up in Brooklyn.Last edit by charli_appleRN on Nov 28, '12
Nov 28, '12Hey, I didn't mean to be mean. I just think that you should have went to community college instead of a private place or wherever you went. I'm getting my NP also. Good luck with school.