Do Nurses Earn Big Money? You Decide.

The members of the public who are convinced that registered nurses earn huge salaries are like shrubs on the outside looking in because they do not know how much sweat and tears we shed for our educations, and they are unaware of the hazards many of us face during the course of a day at work. Nurses General Nursing Article

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"You're rolling in the big bucks!"

Am I the only one who becomes at least mildly irritated whenever a random individual finds out that someone is a nurse and proceeds to say, "You're rolling in the big bucks!"

To keep things honest, I'll recall a few observations about the people who generally do (and don't) broadcast their feelings about nursing pay. In my personal experience, no doctor has ever told me to my face that I'm earning 'big money.' No engineers, attorneys, pharmacists, speech language pathologists, or other highly educated professionals have hooted and hollered about the supposedly 'good money' that nurses make once they discover that I am one. On the other hand, bank tellers, call center workers, clerks, and others who work at entry-level types of jobs have loudly made their feelings known about the incomes that nurses earn.

I was employed at two different fast food chains while in high school, and during my late teens, I worked a string of dead end jobs in the retail sector. From ages 20 to 23, I maintained employment at a paper products plant in high cost-of-living southern California as a factory worker and earned an income of about $40,000 yearly with some overtime. Of course I thought that nurses earned handsome salaries during my years in the entry-level workforce. After all, the average RN income of $70,000 annually far exceeded my yearly pay back in those days. Keep in mind that I paid virtually no taxes as a fast food worker because my income was so low. Also, I paid relatively little in the way of taxes as a retail store clerk.

Awash With Cash

Do nurses earn "big money"?Many of the certified nursing assistants (CNAs) with whom I've worked over the years have fallen into the trap of believing that the nurses are awash with cash. However, the ones that pursue higher education and become nurses themselves eventually come to the realization that the money is not all that it is cracked up to be. For example, Carla* is a single mother to three children under the age of 10 and earns $11 hourly as a CNA at a nursing home. Due to her lower income and family size, she qualifies for Section 8 housing, a monthly food stamp allotment, WIC vouchers, Medicaid, and childcare assistance. Moreover, Carla receives a tax refund of $4,000 every year due to the earned income tax credit (EITC), a federal program that provides lower income workers with added revenue through tax refunds. Much of Carla's CNA income is disposable.

Carla returned to school part-time, earned her RN license, and now earns $25 hourly at a home health company in a Midwestern state with a moderate cost of living. She nets approximately $3,000 per month after taxes and family health insurance are deducted as she no longer qualifies for Medicaid. She pays the full rent of $900 monthly for a small, modest 3-bedroom cottage because she no longer qualifies for Section 8. She pays $500 monthly to feed a family of four because she no longer qualifies for food stamps or WIC vouchers. She spends $175 weekly ($700 monthly) on after school childcare for three school-age children because she no longer qualifies for childcare assistance. Carla's other expenses include $200 monthly to keep the gas tank of her used car full, $300 a month for the electric/natural gas bill, a $50 monthly cell phone bill, and $50 per month for car insurance. Her bills add up to $2,700 per month, which leaves her with a whopping $300 left for savings, recreational pursuits and discretionary purposes. By the way, she did not see the nice tax refund of $4,000 this year since she no longer qualifies for EITC. During Carla's days as a CNA most of her income was disposable, but now that she's an RN she lives a paycheck to paycheck existence. I'm sure she wouldn't be too pleased with some schmuck proclaiming that she's earning 'big money.'

The people who are convinced that nurses earn plenty of money are like shrubs on the outside looking in because they do not know how much sweat and tears we shed for our educations. They remain blissfully unaware of the daily struggles of getting through our workdays. All they see are the dollar signs. I'm here to declare that I worked hard to get to where I am today and I deserve to be paid a decent wage for all of the services that I render. Instead of begrudging us, join us.

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@ Ntheboat2

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@ Ntheboat2

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Op says that "Carla" has less disposable income now making $50k a year and no government assistance than she did making $12 an hour with government assistance. Government paid 100% of food (Food stamp card), housing (Section 8), medical (medicaid) and child care. Leaving her only unavoidable responsibility being utilities... So yes, her entire $12 an hour (minus taxes and utilities) was disposable income whereas after she got her RN, she only had $300 a month disposable income. Really, "Carla" was assisted to a level WELL past a working RN now that I think about it...

That's not actually how it works. Assistance doesn't automatically mean free. When I was a single mother I wasn't even making $12 an hour and I didn't qualify for section 8 because it's based on income. That was fine with me...I'm just saying. Some people who get section 8 actually pay several hundred dollars rent. If the house is $800 per month, they might be paying $600 of that....or they might just be paying $100. We can't know.

Same with childcare. I got childcare assistance, but it wasn't free. I paid about $75 a week instead of the $200 it actually cost. So, we can't assume that "Carla" only had to pay for utilities. That's exactly WHY some people choose NOT to work. If she quit her job and didn't work at all then section 8 would've paid 100% of her rent. That's exactly how the system that's meant to help ends up being abused. The more you work, the less you get. That's logical to most of us, but it's not logical to people who are working their butts off and staying broke while the people around them (who are also in "the system") get to stay home all day and don't have to pay for anything.

Specializes in Adult/Ped Emergency and Trauma.

Well call me liberal (I always thought of myself a conservative.) But, I don't begrudge those kids getting chips, or fed with food stamps, and I certainly wouldn't want to trade places with any of them, even if it meant a free home. I am perfectly happy to work for what I have, but It's cold outside tonight, and those children didn't ask to be born to system users and abusers. So that's how I live with the current system; I couldn't live with putting a child in the cold with nothing to eat- just to get one or two "sorry" people off the line. I know a single mom like this- and it's her children who I worry about, not her poor choices. I balk at the fact that I discharge people daily who are "wrecks" but can't get disability. If they have children, it's a horror story. So do I like the net and all it brings- NO could it run better- YES. Do I want it ended? NO. And by the way, to heavier regulate it would cost more tax dollars. I believe taking care of the weak in our society is what makes the USA Great.

single nurse who has made that choice so far. and will factor kids in with my pay rate. as should everyone having children.... but that is off topic.

Specializes in Adult/Ped Emergency and Trauma.

...and I totally agree that the more children, the more they get. But, it's the child in that situation. If a single Nurse looses their job, by all means, get in line. It's the child with no choice, no ability to change it, and totally innocently in need that I advocate for- and in this situation I sure wouldn't mind the Nurse who has paid in for years to SS to get help as well. For those- I don't mind the pay coming out of my check, or charitable giving. Because but by the grace of God -or good luck -I have been blessed.

That's true, but at the same time you can't factor in everything that's gonna be thrown at you in life. Even responsible people with good jobs who have children can find themselves in situations they never imagined. Husbands cheat...become drug addicts, alcoholics, etc. (wives do too). All of a sudden you're a single parent with a 1,000 or more daycare bill. Either that or you stay with the loser...in which case you'd also be judged.

I know a lady who had a perfectly healthy child and her husband and she both had good jobs, nice cars, a nice home, etc. The kid got sick one day and ended up being in the hospital for several months and coded once. They both lost their jobs, let their cars go back, lost their home, and ended up on food stamps. Did they stay there? No. The point is - things happen no matter how great you are at making choices. You just never have a clue why someone is in the situation they are in so it's best not to assume.

yes, I know all about luck and those without it. But let's not pretend that was all it was for many. I grew up surrounded by poor people . Some were in bad situations because of many bad,stupid, or selfish choices. generations of this. I don't cry/care about money used for charitable or gov assistant programs because it is a drop in the bucket. It is not going to decrease. But it isn't always a case of bad luck or misfortune. If you can't support yourself now, you have no business having a child and expecting the burden to fall on others. period. I recently read an article on how many young people are choosing not to have children due to financial reasons. I suspect many of these are people that wouldnt qualify for help anyway

Specializes in ED.

It's all relative, I suppose. I make less than $9.50 an hour. I also qualify for no government aid whatsoever. I barely scrape by each month, and I am fairly frugal. I will be TRIPLING my income when I graduate in two weeks. I will easily be able to afford all of my bills, buy a new car, and then next year once my student loans are mostly paid off, I'll be able to afford the one thing I've always wanted, a horse. I'll be making more with my ADN, than my mother does as a therapist with a master's degree. For the amount of education required, nurses make good money.

I'm not saying that's the reason for most or even many (see my previous post). I'm just saying you can't assume that everyone in a bad situation made a series of bad choices. When someone is on food stamps, housing, etc. and then gets pregnant? Yeah, probably not so smart. Some people don't think that way though because like you said....there's been generations of bad choices. You have parents of teenagers letting their boyfriends/girlfriends stay all night or even live with them. Teenagers of course are going to want to "stay all night" with the "love of their life" if their parents will let them. Unfortunately, there are parents who actually allow that crap...because their parents let them...etc. I was completely expected to be a teen mom and not from my own doing. It would've been easier to become a failure coming from generations of that though. Trying to break a bad cycle is hard because not only is there no support, but there's often resentment. "oh, you think you're better than everyone." My mom would actually babysit for my sister so she could go to the club, but not for me so I could go to work or school. I think the big picture has a lot more in it than just an individual's choices.

Those choices happen in "high class" families also. It just so happens that the parents, grandparents, etc. have money to enable the choices. Ever watched "Teen Mom"? The name Chelsea/Adam might ring a bell. Poor people seem to be judged more harshly for their poor choices, even if they're the same or not as bad as a rich person's choice. That's why you see a poor man on the news who spent 40+ years in prison for stealing a TV and then you see some white collar crook who stole millions being "reprimanded."

I went through a second degree program and it was full of people with master's degrees who had made a series of good choices, but then lost their jobs and qualified for food stamps and/or medicaid. There just seems to be a stigma that if you get food stamps, medicaid, childcare assistance....or whatever....then you made bad choices, had kids when you shouldn't have, etc, etc. That IS common, but with the economy the way it is now, it's definitely not always true.

I believe taking care of the weak in our society is what makes the USA Great.

I believe helping the the weak in our society take care of themselves is what makes the USA Great.

I'm not saying throw the kids in the street and let them starve. I'm saying provide "just enough" for them to survive. If the parents are living the "good life," for free, what incentive do they have to take care of themselves. As a poster above said better than I can say it "Use children as your reason to succeed, not as an excuse to give up."

That's not actually how it works. Assistance doesn't automatically mean free. When I was a single mother I wasn't even making $12 an hour and I didn't qualify for section 8 because it's based on income. That was fine with me...I'm just saying. Some people who get section 8 actually pay several hundred dollars rent. If the house is $800 per month, they might be paying $600 of that....or they might just be paying $100. We can't know.

Same with childcare. I got childcare assistance, but it wasn't free. I paid about $75 a week instead of the $200 it actually cost. So, we can't assume that "Carla" only had to pay for utilities. That's exactly WHY some people choose NOT to work. If she quit her job and didn't work at all then section 8 would've paid 100% of her rent.

In the OP's example, as well as from what I've witnessed and lived through (until I was 15 and got kicked out of my house), that is the way it works. It may be much more difficult to get on assistance in the first place these days. But once they do get on it, and then realize how easy it is to stay on it, many see it as their "Gravy train," and that's a wrap.

Again, I have no problem helping the needy. I have a problem with the amount of help that is given. Got another example for ya. Again, I know the person. And she is a buddy of mine. I think of her kids as my 3 nieces and my nephew. So anyway, she is not on her food stamp card, only the 4 kids are. Do you realize how much she gets put on her card every month? CLOSE TO $900!!!! Yes! Really! She legitimately spends approx. $500 on food, and sells the rest to her sister in law for cash which she spends on whatever she wants.

There is a point where the word "Help" does not apply, and the term "Free ride" better fits...