Death bed visions - page 6
Hello everybody. I can not think of a better place to ask this questions other than a forum full of what I believe to be Gods angels in human form. In your experience taking care of the injured... Read More
May 9, '08[quote=methylene;2829344]sorry i seem touchy, but reverse the claims and gauge how you'd feel.
not a rhetorical exercise, as people of strong faith are denigrated routinely in the media as silly and ignorant folks cashing in on the "pie in the sky bye-and-bye" opiate of the masses. so, i know how i feel in this type of situation. in this paradigm, smart , educated people outgrow this childish fantasy. we're frankly used to it, and just bless these folks and send them out to the universe with love and sometimes sadness.
i am unqualified to speak to anyone else's experiences or faith. many self-professed religious folks scare me with their lack of charity and total certainty that they alone speak for our creator.
for me, rigorous investigation, dialogue, education,and experiences have led me to the clear presense of a loving creator as evidenced by his creation, and that this is but one one of many planes of existance. i don't expect you to substitute your judgement for mine, but am unclear as to how my faith harms you or impinges on the quality of your life. your views don't upset me, and as inglein stated, we may be wrong. it's a leap i'm willing to take. bluntly, if you are correct, i have "wasted" my life attempting to be kind and of service to others, and will die happily. how is this a problem for you?
what i read into death bed recollections and nde's are that negative experiences are rare but real, and i have witnessed the former, but not experienced the latter.
birth and death are so common, we overlook the awesomeness. with apologies for my fatigue and fog, and blanking out on the author--either everything is a miracle, or nothing is.
May 9, '08Quote from earle58While I have seen people have this kind of experience, I am pretty sure the person that has their first schizophrenic delusion finds it pretty life altering.i too, have seen these type deaths.
what's interesting, is these pts i'm thinking of, didn't have any beliefs about afterlife.
they believed in nothingness, total nothingness.
it's obvious to me they did see something...whether it was a religious figure, an angel or something totally unfamiliar to them...
and it scared the begeezuz out of them, thinking all this time that nothing was going to happen.
it's a horrifying event to witness and more, to experience.
whenever i have a pt who believes in 'nothingness', i have to tell them "don't be frightened if you see _________".
Yea it can be life altering and yea they may 'believe' it is real... but is it?
If it changes your life for better I guess it doesn't really matter if it is real. The only thing that is real that we know is that we will all find out what is truth in the end. No matter what you believe.
May 10, '08Quote from ingeleinYES!! Lets make a pact to meet up in the hereafter, all the allnurses bunch, wouldn't it be a hoot?!
I will be the one in the camo by the chocolate fountain. You will know me when you see me.
May 12, '08i have worked for hospice for several years and it is normal and common for a dying person to have visions at the time of death but also once they 'get close' to the dying process. it is in preparation...their loved ones come to get them, tell them its ok, etc. it can be so unsettling for patients; we tell them it is a normal thing and its ok to talk to them; its ok to go with them. this brings people peace and calms them.
May 12, '08http://www.near-death.com
Personal stories of those who have had a near-death experience (NDE); celebrities, historical figures, various religious figures....
May 12, '08I too am now a Hospice nurse. I recently had a young woman who was dying with a mild case of terminal restlessness. I was at the home and she was talking to me then suddenly she opened her eyes, looked at me and asked "(my name), why is when I open my eyes all the people go away?" I told her the people where there for her and it was OK to go to them. She very peacefully said "OK, that's what I'll do then." and passed away about 10 minutes later.
May 12, '08we should all be so lucky as to have a peacful end. I know I will because I belive I live the best I can. There's something to be said for how you live on this earth. I, too, have seen many peacful endings. They frequently reach for a loved one... sure makes it easier for me to know that dying can be ok, and when it's my turn, I hope it's that good for me.
May 12, '08Several years ago, I was the nursing director at a residential hospice program for people with AIDS. It was far more uncommon for someone not to have these experiences than to have them. I often told people, when they asked about all the folks in their rooms, that they were their guides. There just was never any question to the validity of that statement. It was fact for everyone.
On a more personal level, and a slightly different issue, is the visitation we as survivors receive when our loved ones pass. I remember my father walking up the drive way of our home (I was 16) telling me everything was going to be okay. It wasn't until I went back into the house that I realized what had happened...we had buried him 2 days previously. (My father continued to visit me for years until I was out of college).
My sister (a 1,000 miles away) was in ICU on full life support when she died after being ill for merely 10 hours. While I don't recall actually seeing her or feeling her, I started crying and had to leave work. I KNEW she had died.
I believe these incidents occur for us all...both while we are dying, and while we are living. I'm excited to find out what comes next...but I'll just wait until it's my turn.
May 12, '08I would like to think as nurses that we do so much to help people and their love ones that whatever vision we see will hopefully be of doctors struggling to do what we do as nurses. Wouldnt that be funny
May 13, '08Beyond the visions for the patients, I have felt a definite presence in the room with me as the patients pass. Of course, I have to check the pulse technically, but the feeling which I can't describe otherwise has never steered me wrong.
May 13, '08Although I am a nurse, my most vivid experience with this comes from my mother when she was in the hospital. She was an end stage COPD patient and was teetering on the edge of a full arrest. As she was going out she looked up and past us (her children) in the room and said "Mom?.... Oh! look at all the flowers, they're so beautiful." Then she coded. Got her back that time but she had no recall of the incident. I think it was just hypoxic encephalopathy but my sisters take great comfort in my mothers' glimpse of the other side.
May 13, '08I work in hospice, and every patient I've had sees someone before they pass. In fact, my coworkers and I know the end is close when the patients move into this phase. I work with some patients who are from a culture that finds this phenomenon very, very disturbing. These patients often do not take comfort from it, but see it as something really scary. That kind of unsettles me, though I know they are seeing passed loved ones due to what they are saying (as translated by family members). It does make one think when all kinds of different people from a variety of backgrounds and cultural beliefs all experience the same phenomenon.
May 14, '08Quote from emsbossRest assured there is a Hell, and it is getting more full by the day. I so hate to see people refuse to believe it exists and just blow it all off with comments like "He was a good guy... did a lot of good things and I'm sure he's up there watching #3 race in person now." [That particular one always makes me chuckle, sorry.]I also have seen many of the beautiful peaceful scenes just described. But, (y'all knew it was coming, didn'y ya?) I saw one young man, early 20's, losing to cancer who woke up in the middle of the night SCREAMING at the top of his lungs "HE is coming to get me HE is coming to get me!!!!" We all rushed into the room and it was horrible. The pt was backed up into the corner (he was too weak earlier to make the bathroom, used a BSC), IVs out, blood everywhere and pointing to the crucifix on the wall and SCREAMING. As we tried to get him back in bed he grabbed a nurse by the throat and then...simply fell over with the most horrified look on his face and died(DNR/DNI). When the mortuary came and picked him up he still had that expression on his face. I believe in a peaceful afterlife...BUT...There is also a not peaceful one also...I think...
How can you believe in Heaven and not Hell?
I know most folks just want to assume all is well, and not think about the possibility that Hell exists. No one wants to believe their loved one is burning for eternity, but let me tell you if no one else has.... really good people die and end up in Hell.
Being 'good' or doing good deeds will not promise you salvation or a ticket to Heaven.
Promising God that while you know you're doing wrong, you plan to repent for it at a later time, is a doomed plan as well. [That's called iniquity.. purposeful sin... check into it!]
Salvation is the only way to assure eternal life peeps, so if you're not sure, best go see your local saved person ASAP for details. When Jesus judges us, you really want him to say "I know this one." to God.
In short, you can have one heck of a llife, live in the fast lane, party hearty, and leave skid marks as you slide sideways into your final parking spot.... and not be drunk, stoned, screwing, lying or stealing during the process. Really.
Yes, there are a lot of boring LOL's in the church, but they choose to live the way they do, as can you. It's not your [or their] place to judge, and don't allow anyone's judgement to make decisions for you.
It's your thing.. but just don't forget to read [and follow] the rule book!
For topic, yes, I've always marvelled at the types/differences in the way people die and what they see that we can't. It's very reassuring that there is indeed something special on the other side.
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