Death bed visions

I wonder how the saying came about , the one where they say there are no foxhole atheists? I dont disparage anyones beliefs , but it could be a mistake to close ones mind too completely to new phenomena.

Uh, is that good?:uhoh21:

i'd like to think i'll go straight to the middle of this hierarchy, and grow from there...

but no, wouldn't be surprised to have to start at the beginning.

(actually darn it, i would be surprised!)

but who am i to argue w/the Big Guy?

i do it enough here on earth.

i'm not that ballsy to give Him attitude up 'there'.

leslie

I wonder how the saying came about , the one where they say there are no foxhole atheists? I dont disparage anyones beliefs , but it could be a mistake to close ones mind too completely to new phenomena.

You don't want to disparage anyone's beliefs but "no atheists in foxholes" sure as heck does.

http://www.atheistfoxholes.org/

http://www.maaf.info/

I agree with you completely. After you have seen so many people, both personally and professionally, experience phenomenal death bed phenomena, you are touched by this forever. It makes you a different person. I would like to think more empathetic, loving, and appreciative of life. :heartbeat

people that have experienced near-death, they are always, always changed forever.

it doesn't matter if they were agnostic, atheist or religious- it changes them all.

seeing really is believing.

I wonder how the saying came about , the one where they say there are no foxhole atheists? I dont disparage anyones beliefs , but it could be a mistake to close ones mind too completely to new phenomena.

i wouldn't view it as a mistake.

there will always be people who command palpable, concrete evidence.

to me, it's their loss.

but if i hadn't the many experiences i've had, i'm sure i'd be skeptical too.

i've never believed something just because others/masses do.

but for sure, afterlife is my absolute truth.

leslie

I had an experience only once in all the years of nursing, maybe my eyes WERE SHUT to such phenomena.In my experience,I was doing my checks on a dying little old lady who had been unresponsive all that shift, as I was bending over her to check her respirations, she opened her eyes wide and said in a very clear, but puzzeled voice, "where was I just now?", duh, dumb me , I answered "oh you've been here all along", she insisted, "no I was somewhere else".I shouldv'e asked her to describe the place, but she lapsed back into unresponsiveness shortly thereafter and died within an hour.

I had an experience only once in all the years of nursing, maybe my eyes WERE SHUT to such phenomena.In my experience,I was doing my checks on a dying little old lady who had been unresponsive all that shift, as I was bending over her to check her respirations, she opened her eyes wide and said in a very clear, but puzzeled voice, "where was I just now?", duh, dumb me , I answered "oh you've been here all along", she insisted, "no I was somewhere else".I shouldv'e asked her to describe the place, but she lapsed back into unresponsiveness shortly thereafter and died within an hour.

that's funny.

when i started out in hospice, i answered the same way.

now when pts ask me this (which many, many do), i tell them their spirit and soul are preparing for their journey, and that there is nothing to be frightened of.

hardly any are ever frightened when this happens.

rather, it brings them much peace.

leslie

You don't want to disparage anyone's beliefs but "no atheists in foxholes" sure as heck does.

http://www.atheistfoxholes.org/

http://www.maaf.info/

SORRY, foot in mouth disease again.

people that have experienced near-death, they are always, always changed forever.

it doesn't matter if they were agnostic, atheist or religious- it changes them all.

seeing really is believing.

Always?

Everyone?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_n4_v18/ai_16139352

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dennett06/dennett06_index.html

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf095/sf095m99.htm

That was just a two minute google search- I had no vested fascination with this topic as it seems fairly cut and dry for me.

Leslie, I think we may be kindred spirits here on earth.If we never meet on this earthly place, how about meeting up in the hereafter, just to say howdy nice knowin' you on earth and allnurses.

my place or yours?

i'll be on level 1. :rotfl:

leslie

:yeah:Can I come, too?? I'll be at the after hours cloud...

I just want to say though that there are more "foxholes" in life other than with a military meaning.

:yeah:Can I come, too?? I'll be at the after hours cloud...

YES!! Lets make a pact to meet up in the hereafter, all the allnurses bunch, wouldn't it be a hoot?!

I just want to say though that there are more "foxholes" in life other than with a military meaning.

What exactly are you implying? I know the statement is a metaphor, but what better way to invalidate a smear than with literal evidence to the contrary?