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- by roser13 Jul 7, '11The other day, I came across a tilt table test on a patient. It was a young person who had been experiencing syncopal episodes and so was sent for the study. I was amazed to come across the phrase "patient lost consciousness and asystole was observed for 25 seconds, after which a regular bradycardic rhythmn returned."
Observed?:uhoh21: For twenty-five seconds?
I was floored and wondered if I was missing something. It could not have been a mis-transcribed word, because asystole was mentioned 2 more times and the context was correct all 3 times. I asked an anesthesiologist and he was as surprised as I, but was busy at the time and simply laughed and said "well, that was a long 25 seconds!"
The test did not have any relevance to the patient's care in my facility and in fact was historical so I didn't even bring it to anyone's attention. It had obviously been reviewed and had not raised any alarms with anyone (including the cardiologist who treated the patient at the time).
What am I missing? Is it normal (a) to experience asystole in a tilt table test, and (b) for the asystole to simply be "observed"?
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- Jul 7, '11 by jrodrig2adenosine? good thing that node kicked in. any EP nurses explain that one?
- Jul 7, '11 by casiI've observed asystole for that long.... as I went running for the crash cart. But I have seen patients have asystole or pauses for that amount of time.
Don't really know anything about the tilt table test however.
- Jul 7, '11 by Jenni811were they given adenosine?? I would probably flip if i saw asystole for 25 seconds. Even if it was followed by bradycardia. I really don't know too much about the tilt table. but i can't imagine that would cause asystole.
- Jul 7, '11 by ScottE,RNAsystole is never normal, well unless the person is dead. It's probably some really really weird vasovagal response, but . . .
- Jul 7, '11 by suanna30 seconds dead is a long time in my book. If you ever saw that on my chart-let me know- I would want someone to be looking at pacemaker placement. I'm thinking half a minute dead would be a good reason for the syncopy. The only thing I can guess is the patient was on some medication for HTN- a beta blocker or combo med- or on an anti-arrythmic amiodarone?, that the cardiologist stopped after the patients brief look at the other side. Is it possible the patient has a renal hx and had a high potassium at the time. I've worked cardiac my entire career and I don't know any doctor that wouldn't be anxious about a 30sec pause.
- Jul 7, '11 by scoochyWas the patient being worked up for dysautonomia?
- Jul 8, '11 by mama_dI have a friend who is dx with POTS. During her tilt table test, she went junctional @ 40, then brady in 20's, then passed out...apparently when she passed out she had an approximately 15 second pause, which earned her some adenosine.
Which led to a debate on my floor...when does it stop being a pause and start being an episode of asystole?
- Jul 8, '11 by hherrnQuote from mama_di have a friend who is dx with pots. during her tilt table test, she went junctional @ 40, then brady in 20's, then passed out...apparently when she passed out she had an approximately 15 second pause, which earned her some adenosine.
which led to a debate on my floor...when does it stop being a pause and start being an episode of asystole?