Arnold Schwartzneiger says "We need to create more nurses"

allnurses Guide · Sep 17, 2005

California is so far over its head w/ its desires for rights without responsibilities that no Gov could be successful.
California:
Wants all the gas and electricity it needs - but it wants all the other states to produce it and sell it to them below costs. No oil platforms off its coast - that's what the Gulf of Mexico is for. No refineries here.
WELL, HERE IN THE CONSERVATIVE PART OF CA - WE WANT OIL PLATFORMS OFF THE COAST BUT WE ARE THE MINORITY :)
Wants to tax evil business high amounts of money to finance all its schemes - but can't understand why Arizona is the fastest growing State in the Union. (hint: California business exodus)
WE WANT LOWER TAXES HERE TOO.:)
Wants to be at the vanguard of changing society (stem cell research, gay marriage, illlegal alien rights, environmentaliist extremism, on and on) but can't understand why it's budget is nigh bankrupt.
WE DO UNDERSTAND AND VOTED AGAINST ALL THOSE THINGS:)
California's problem isn't its Gov - it's the idea that social consciousness and 'not in my backyard' mentality combined w/ its malicious anti-business philosophy creates a huge demand on tax dollars while at the same time denying the tax base an opportunity to expand.
YEP, AND AGAIN, WE DID NOT VOTE FOR THOSE THINGS:)
Somebody once gave me a great definition of poliltics: politics is a discussion about the allocation of resources. Just about every political calculation comes down to that.
OR MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST STOP THE MADNESS AND THE PORK. :)
That being the case, the demands of the citizens of California dictate an impossible political situation.
VERY VERY TRUE:)
I said this in another thread recently: Arnold says that there aren't enough nurses to enforce the ratios, nurses throw fits. Arnold says we need more nurses, nurses throw fits.
TRUE AGAIN - GOSH WE NEED NURSES HERE SO BADLY. THE RATIOS ARE GREAT TO WORK UNDER BUT WE NEED NURSES BECAUSE WE ARE BEING BURNED OUT.
If you're gonna throw a fit EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH, then people will stop trying to figure out what you think is really worth debating.
AGREED. REMARKING ON HIS ENGLISH LANGUAGE SKILLS IS UNNECESSARY.:)
I'm not California bashing. And California isn't the only state where the government overpromises so that the elected officials that comprise the government can get elected. Shoot, look at the National Government, regardless the party in charge.
HEY, I AM CALIFORNIA BASHING IN THE SENSE THAT THE LIBERAL CALIFORNIANS ARE RUINING IT FOR THE REST OF US.:)
All I'm saying is what did you expect of ANY GOV with a 'we want everything except the burdens that come with having everything' mentality.
EXACTLY - AND I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM BUT WAS VERY GLAD MR. DAVIS WAS UNSEATED IN THE WAY HE WAS.
Of course, Arnold knew all this going in. But so should have the citizens of the Rep of Calif.
REMEMBER I LIVE IN A CONSERVATIVE COUNTY AND WE VOTED FOR BUSH AND MCCLINTOCK. :)
~faith,
Timothy

Good post Timothy.

steph

fergus51 · Sep 17, 2005

Timothy, I have only lived in California for a little over a year, but I don't know anyone who matches your description of what Californians are. It was an incredibly condescending and innacurate generalization.

LydiaNN · Sep 17, 2005

California is so far over its head w/ its desires for rights without responsibilities that no Gov could be successful.
California:
Wants all the gas and electricity it needs - but it wants all the other states to produce it and sell it to them below costs. No oil platforms off its coast - that's what the Gulf of Mexico is for. No refineries here.
Wants to tax evil business high amounts of money to finance all its schemes - but can't understand why Arizona is the fastest growing State in the Union. (hint: California business exodus)
Wants to be at the vanguard of changing society (stem cell research, gay marriage, illlegal alien rights, environmentaliist extremism, on and on) but can't understand why it's budget is nigh bankrupt.
California's problem isn't its Gov - it's the idea that social consciousness and 'not in my backyard' mentality combined w/ its malicious anti-business philosophy creates a huge demand on tax dollars while at the same time denying the tax base an opportunity to expand.
Somebody once gave me a great definition of poliltics: politics is a discussion about the allocation of resources. Just about every political calculation comes down to that.
That being the case, the demands of the citizens of California dictate an impossible political situation.
I said this in another thread recently: Arnold says that there aren't enough nurses to enforce the ratios, nurses throw fits. Arnold says we need more nurses, nurses throw fits.
If you're gonna throw a fit EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH, then people will stop trying to figure out what you think is really worth debating.
I'm not California bashing. And California isn't the only state where the government overpromises so that the elected officials that comprise the government can get elected. Shoot, look at the National Government, regardless the party in charge.
All I'm saying is, what did you expect of ANY GOV when the citizens have a mentality of 'we want everything except the burdens that come with having everything'.
Of course, Arnold knew all this going in. But so should have the citizens of the Rep of Calif.
~faith,
Timothy

I'm curious just what it is that makes you think you have the right to declare what the citizens of California want. Let us be clear, you don't speak for me.

ZASHAGALKA, RN · Sep 17, 2005

I'm curious just what it is that makes you think you have the right to declare what the citizens of California want. Let us be clear, you don't speak for me.

I'm not declaring anything. I'm just making an observation about what Californians are declaring/doing.

Do you deny that there are no oil rigs off the California coast?

Do you deny that there have been no significant electrical, nuclear, or oil infrastructure building in California in the last almost 40 yrs?

Do you deny the State just passed a 10 billion dollar Stem Cell initiative, after throwing out a Gov because he couldn't forestall bankruptcy?

Do you deny that illegals are given every right of citizens, including the attempt to give them Driver's Licenses, our defacto National ID?

Do you deny that business are leaving your state in droves?

Do you deny that your state legislature just passed a gay marriage law (to be vetoed), over the objections of citizens that passed a proposition defining marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman?

Do you deny that your state remains on the verge of bankruptcy?

How is observing the mess in California the same as speaking for you?

~faith,

Timothy.

allnurses Guide · Sep 17, 2005

I'm not declaring anything. I'm just making an observation about what Californians are declaring/doing.
Do you deny that there are no oil rigs off the California coast?
Do you deny that there have been no significant electrical, nuclear, or oil infrastructure building in California in the last almost 40 yrs?
Do you deny the State just passed a 10 billion dollar Stem Cell initiative, after throwing out a Gov because he couldn't forestall bankruptcy?
Do you deny that illegals are given every right of citizens, including the attempt to give them Driver's Licenses, our defacto National ID?
Do you deny that business are leaving your state in droves?
Do you deny that your state legislature just passed a gay marriage law (to be vetoed), over the objections of citizens that passed a proposition defining marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman?
Do you deny that your state remains on the verge of bankruptcy?
How is observing the mess in California the same as speaking for you?
~faith,
Timothy.

Timothy is right.

steph

LydiaNN · Sep 17, 2005

Saying what California "wants" is speaking for Californians, plain and simple. Make all the observations you wish, but don't assume you know what anyone else "wants" unless they tell you specifically.

allnurses Guide · Sep 17, 2005

Saying what California "wants" is speaking for Californians, plain and simple. Make all the observations you wish, but don't assume you know what anyone else "wants" unless they tell you specifically.

The only thing is, all the stuff Tim posted was wanted by the majority of Californians and voted for. So that does make a statement. . . . Not the tiny minority in my county of course. All us farmers and loggers - :)

steph

LydiaNN · Sep 17, 2005

The only thing is, all the stuff Tim posted was wanted by the majority of Californians and voted for. So that does make a statement. . . . Not the tiny minority in my county of course. All us farmers and loggers - :)
steph

It makes a statement about what some Californians want, nothing more.

MacNurse · Sep 17, 2005

What are we objects? When he announced last night that he would be running for Governor again he said he was running again because "we need to create more ER Rooms, more hospitals, more nurses". I am all for more hospitals but you dont CREATE nurses. We are people!!!! It would also help to have more Nursing School Programs dont you think? There's a reason why there is a Nurse shortage and I think that a big part of it has to do with the fact that half of the people that want to become nurses are on a waiting list somewhere.

Heeheehee...I wonder if he's going to wave his magic wand and POOF! more nurses! Or maybe nurses are the latest crop for farmers! I wonder how you can tell that nurses are 'ready to be picked'? Or when we're 'in season'? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Okay....I'll stop now :rolleyes:

allnurses Guide · Sep 17, 2005

It makes a statement about what some Californians want, nothing more.

But the majority made the statement.

We tried to get the state split about 10 years or so ago . . .North California and South California . . .our needs are completely different.

steph

fab4fan · Sep 17, 2005

What are we objects? When he announced last night that he would be running for Governor again he said he was running again because "we need to create more ER Rooms, more hospitals, more nurses". I am all for more hospitals but you dont CREATE nurses. We are people!!!! It would also help to have more Nursing School Programs dont you think? There's a reason why there is a Nurse shortage and I think that a big part of it has to do with the fact that half of the people that want to become nurses are on a waiting list somewhere.

I guess he needs more nurses because he's run out of butts to kick. :rolleyes:

LydiaNN · Sep 17, 2005

But the majority made the statement.
We tried to get the state split about 10 years or so ago . . .North California and South California . . .our needs are completely different.
steph

No, the majority did not make these statements. Timothy made them, based on his interpretation of news events in our state. I have yet to hear a single Californian express confusion as to why Arizona is the fastest growing state in the country. Where I live, I have yet to hear anyone even express concern about that- I'm just glad they're not moving here, myself. You notice I don't say "no one has said that", because maybe someone has. If Timothy would stay away from these sweeping statements, I'd have no problem with the expression of his opinion. It is presenting them as fact to which I object. He adds the words like "evil" when talking about business taxes, and extremism when talking about a legitimate concern for the environment. Again, it is fine so long as he acknowledges that these embellishments reflect his interpretation.