Nurses General Nursing
Published Dec 9, 2006
h.r.6420 title: to amend the internal revenue code of 1986 to impose an excise tax on certain medical care providers that fail to provide a minimum level of charity medical care, and for other purposes. sponsor: rep thomas, william m. [ca-22] (introduced 12/8/2006) cosponsors (none) latest major action: 12/8/2006 referred to house committee. status: referred to the house committee on ways and means.
title: to amend the internal revenue code of 1986 to impose an excise tax on certain medical care providers that fail to provide a minimum level of charity medical care, and for other purposes.
sponsor: rep thomas, william m. [ca-22] (introduced 12/8/2006) cosponsors (none)
latest major action: 12/8/2006 referred to house committee. status: referred to the house committee on ways and means.
search results - thomas (library of congress)::
the text of the bill has not been published yet, but this looks like one more step towards universal health care. what do you think?
F_Nightengown
6 Posts
Agreed. And how does one define a "minimal level" anyway?
jyoung1950
157 Posts
A friend of mine, who is totally for government provided health insurance, told me that another thing about Hillary's plan was that the payment would amount to the company paying a dollar something for each hour of every employee's work. I don't know how a small company could afford that.
blueyesue
566 Posts
We are a bunch of insulated whiners in America, lets face it. We are darned lucky to live on easy street, lets face it.
It's like the old adage: The more you have the more you want.
The spoiled are hard to satisfy.:)
To add: Of course we should never be satisfied with mediocrity, and should always strive for the best. It is how we became the greatest nation.
PANurseRN1
1,288 Posts
below are graphs on canada's waiting lists. it mostly seems to have gotten worse within 10 years time. sometimes doubling or even quadrupling the wait time:http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/chapterfiles/wyt2004%20pt2.pdf#on a side note, i also wonder how the income of doctors and nurses differ between canada and america?
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/chapterfiles/wyt2004%20pt2.pdf#
on a side note, i also wonder how the income of doctors and nurses differ between canada and america?
would you please stop with the canada bashing already? it's disgusting. incase you haven't noticed, we do have members here who are canadian. this isn't "allunitedstatesnurses.com."
It's like the old adage: The more you have the more you want. The spoiled are hard to satisfy.:)To add: Of course we should never be satisfied with mediocrity, and should always strive for the best. It is how we became the greatest nation.
It might serve you well to actually experience being in a position where you don't have health insurance and don't have the $$ to pay for care. Maybe you would have a little more compassion.
No wonder so many people hate what the US represents. Unbridled arrogance will be the country's undoing.
I should have known to check the "user profile" before getting so fired up. That says it all.
Simplepleasures
1,355 Posts
JeanettePNP, MSN, RN, NP
1 Article; 1,863 Posts
There is plenty of outcry against socialized education. The homeschooling and private school parents believe that they can provide a better education for their child with no costs to the taxpayer, and research proves they are right. They also have private libraries. As for the highways and police, that is part of the governments job description.
I guess you want to go back to the not-so-distant past when only the children of the rich were educated and the poor were mostly illiterate. And if you had the money to afford lots of books, you could be well-read, but the public could just be entertained by the wandering minstrel.
The fact is that as much as socialism has been proven not to work, pure free market capitalism hasn't worked too well throughout history either. Without some rules and regulations there is nothing to prevent the ruling class from taking advantage of the workers. I keep hearing the argument that if you work hard and plan well you will never go hungry or be without insurance but anyone with just the slightest bit of life experience will tell you that it just doesn't work that way.
The reason that we have public schools and libraries and parks etc., even though some free market purists think we can do without them, is that We the People decided that it's a worthwhile investment of public funds to ensure that we have a well-educated public with access to good literature. Yes I know the American public school system is not that great and we're not a very literate people but without the public schools many more of us would be illiterate.
Having a healthy populace is a worthwhile investment of public funds. When people don't get the healthcare they need, they end up being less productive and eventually will cost society a lot more than they would have if their basic healthcare was covered by the government.
GardenDove
962 Posts
Good points Chaya
talaxandra
3,037 Posts
The reason that we have public schools and libraries and parks etc., even though some free market purists think we can do without them, is that We the People decided that it's a worthwhile investment of public funds to ensure that we have a well-educated public with access to good literature. Having a healthy populace is a worthwhile investment of public funds. When people don't get the healthcare they need, they end up being less productive and eventually will cost society a lot more than they would have if their basic healthcare was covered by the government.
:yeahthat:
A healthier public means a healthier work force. An educated public is one that increases productivity and innovation - and one that is better able to question the status quo.
I've read a lot of responses arguing that the Canadian and European experiences are variously flawed, tainted by their political past, or somehow subsidised by the US. Any thoughts on the Australian/NZ system?
hope3456, ASN, RN
1,263 Posts
I guess you want to go back to the not-so-distant past when only the children of the rich were educated and the poor were mostly illiterate. And if you had the money to afford lots of books, you could be well-read, but the public could just be entertained by the wandering minstrel. The fact is that as much as socialism has been proven not to work, pure free market capitalism hasn't worked too well throughout history either. Without some rules and regulations there is nothing to prevent the ruling class from taking advantage of the workers. I keep hearing the argument that if you work hard and plan well you will never go hungry or be without insurance but anyone with just the slightest bit of life experience will tell you that it just doesn't work that way. The reason that we have public schools and libraries and parks etc., even though some free market purists think we can do without them, is that We the People decided that it's a worthwhile investment of public funds to ensure that we have a well-educated public with access to good literature. Yes I know the American public school system is not that great and we're not a very literate people but without the public schools many more of us would be illiterate. Having a healthy populace is a worthwhile investment of public funds. When people don't get the healthcare they need, they end up being less productive and eventually will cost society a lot more than they would have if their basic healthcare was covered by the government.
Excellent post Chaya - I don't think comparing education to health care is a fair comparison. I was homeschooled/private schooled up until 10th grade and I am no better off than anyone who went to public school .......but that is off the subject. Would love to debate it on another post!
I just wish we didn't have to be so dependant upon employers for health insurance.
I think that this is what needs to change, along with how our labor market has changed. More people now are self employed, work contract jobs, work for small businesses, ect, than did probably 20 - 30 years ago. I suspect that alot of these people are making a relatively decent income - could contribute something into some kind of risk pool - but private ins. is still just prohitively expensive to them. What is so wrong with thinking that this population should have better access to a health insurance policy??
Maybe universal care isnt the answer, but major changes need to be made to our present health care delivery system. I think that our policy makers should be able to figure something out. And in saying this, I don't believe that health care should be 'free' but it shouldnt be cost prohibitive, either.
I suspect that the reason nothing is being done to this effect is b/c of the lobbying power of the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
Oh my goodness yes, I am so spoiled while I sit here in pain from the DDD and DJD in spine and DJD of bilat knees.Cant have needed surgery , no health insurance!!Not enough money for my meds.Need groceries, may have to try to get a ride to the food pantry, since my car got reposessed. Couldnt afford COBRA.Gone BROKE waiting to be approved for Social Security Disability. This thread has evolved into foolish pratter about how spoiled and lucky we are, ask those who are not so lucky right here in this country, see what they have to say, jeesh.
Thought you may be interested to know that a growing number of uninsured, working class American citizens are now going to India to have joint replacements done...at a fraction of the cost of what it costs in America for the same surgery. Sounds like they are getting good results. That is what I have read, anyway. Check it out!
Not saying that it is right, but it sounds as though this practice is becoming more popular. Hmmmm......
