Nurses General Nursing
Published Dec 9, 2006
h.r.6420 title: to amend the internal revenue code of 1986 to impose an excise tax on certain medical care providers that fail to provide a minimum level of charity medical care, and for other purposes. sponsor: rep thomas, william m. [ca-22] (introduced 12/8/2006) cosponsors (none) latest major action: 12/8/2006 referred to house committee. status: referred to the house committee on ways and means.
title: to amend the internal revenue code of 1986 to impose an excise tax on certain medical care providers that fail to provide a minimum level of charity medical care, and for other purposes.
sponsor: rep thomas, william m. [ca-22] (introduced 12/8/2006) cosponsors (none)
latest major action: 12/8/2006 referred to house committee. status: referred to the house committee on ways and means.
search results - thomas (library of congress)::
the text of the bill has not been published yet, but this looks like one more step towards universal health care. what do you think?
blueyesue
566 Posts
I am a professional. When I graduate I expect to be paid and treated as a professional. Still, I've became "the best" at many things in life that had no monetary value. The incentive was in the doing.
That's great in an ideal world. However most don't think that way. Unfortunately, money makes the world go around as they say. People follow the money.
rach_nc_03
372 Posts
Universal healthcare eliminates the right of privacy between doctors and patients as governments demand power to oversee the healthcare of its citizens. Plus, governments such as Canada, have outlawed medical care if the service is paid for by private individual funds. Something just isn't right about that.
I don't know Canadian law, so one of the Canadians will have to respond to that. I have a tough time believing it.
Your first statement, though, is specious. How is your health insurance company demanding power to oversee *your* healthcare any different? How can ANY entity oversee healthcare without looking at your private information?
augigi, CNS
1,366 Posts
Let me ask you this. Why do people all over the world come to America to get health procedures done? It is because we pay our doctors the best. We have the best healthcare in the world. That is a fact!If we go universal healthcare the doctors and nurses will get paid a flat rate. Where is the incentive to be the best?
If we go universal healthcare the doctors and nurses will get paid a flat rate. Where is the incentive to be the best?
Sorry, but there are many countries with superior facilities in certain areas. Certainly with the large population, the US has many world leaders in various treatments.
I do not follow your argument that universal health care = flat rate for docs/nurses, as that's just not correct. We have additional rates for certifications, further education courses etc. People who go out of their way to be better DO get additional pay. In addition, we still have private, for-profit and not-for-profit hospitals which can set their own pay grades. Not everyone has to work in a public facility just because you have universal healthcare.
Sorry, but that's a complete crock. We still have privacy laws, and the "government" bogey men have no access to anyone's healthcare information.
I wonder why some Americans are fixated on the idea that we are the BEST. I'd say we are very good at many things. But clearly, some other countries have better healthcare systems than we do. Some can't see that because they are looking thru the smoke of "we are the best." I'm not quite sure why some Americans are so arrogant as to deny that other countries do some things better.
Let's not fool ourselves. What country is sought after most for their healthcare?
Being proud of your country is a good thing. There is a difference between pride and arrogance. It is okay to show pride in your country. Of course there are other countries who do certain things better. Japan has excellent manufacturing for example. No one country is perfect.
sunnyjohn
2,450 Posts
Let's not fool ourselves. What country is sought after most for their healthcare?Being proud of your country is a good thing. There is a difference between pride and arrogance. It is okay to show pride in your country. Of course there are other countries who do certain things better. Japan has excellent manufacturing for example. No one country is perfect.
American doctors are sought after.
In truth, our medicine is is EXCELLENT medicine- IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT.
If you can't, well, you're screwed.
Multicollinearity, BSN, RN
3,119 Posts
Toyota, Moving Northward - New York Times
"But education is only one reason Toyota chose Ontario. Canada's other big selling point is its national health insurance system, which saves auto manufacturers large sums in benefit payments compared with their costs in the United States.
You might be tempted to say that Canadian taxpayers are, in effect, subsidizing Toyota's move by paying for health coverage. But that's not right, even aside from the fact that Canada's health care system has far lower costs per person than the American system, with its huge administrative expenses. In fact, U.S. taxpayers, not Canadians, will be hurt by the northward movement of auto jobs."
ZASHAGALKA, RN
3,322 Posts
Canada treated its nurses like garbage in the 90's. The result: many fled to the U.S. for decent salaries and treatment.
As the drain started to effect care, Canada responded by being forced to recruit those nurses back and to retain the ones they were training.
If the U.S. were to nationalize ITS healthcare, Canada would no longer have an incentive to try to 'keep up' with the pay of American nurses.
Both nations could then collude to keep those salaries in the basement.
~faith,
Timothy.
originally posted by ejm plus, governments such as canada, have outlawed medical care if the service is paid for by private individual funds. something just isn't right about that.
plus, governments such as canada, have outlawed medical care if the service is paid for by private individual funds. something just isn't right about that.
i don't know canadian law, so one of the canadians will have to respond to that. i have a tough time believing it.
the new president of canada's national medical association is an outspoken advocate of greater privatization of canada's national health care system. dr. brian day, who was elected at the organizations annual meeting on tuesday, operates a private-pay medical clinic in technical violation of canada's single-payer health care laws. last year, the canadian supreme court struck down quebec's prohibition on private payment for health care, and implying that other similar restrictions in other provinces were similarly unconstitutional. however, the prohibition remains on the books in vancouver where dr. day runs his clinic. dr. day points to the long waiting lists and patient suffering under canada's system and says, "a state-run monopoly is not the best way to run anything, let alone a health care system."
canadian journalists and observers say that day's election is the latest manifestation of a canadian unhappiness with their government-controlled system. maybe they know something that advocates of a single-payer system in this country don't?
cato-at-liberty ยป revolt against canadian health care system continues
hope3456, ASN, RN
1,263 Posts
This is the situation I am struggling to understand and leads me to believe something is wrong with the system:
I have a friend who recently had a baby - she had no health insurance. She is not rich (lives very simply), but her husband's job doesn't provide her with health insurance and she made the decision to be a 'stay at home mom' with her other child for a couple years. She is a educated, productive member of society, but didn't qualify for medicaid or any other 'aid' program. She was very cost conscious about her prenatal care - going to a midwife group in a neighboring community b/c she researched them and they were the cheapest she could find - she refused an ultrasound b/c of the cost as well as other lab tests, went to a birthing center for the birth, ect. She went to extremes to stay healthy, exercising, ect. She told me she really hoped to be able to 'go natural' and avoid an epidural, c-section, ect. - primarily b/c of the cost. She does, however, have a $7000 bill for a normal l&d. No help from anyone.
In conversation with my neighbor a couple weeks ago, she told me that medicaid picked up the tab for the birth of her child. She had no complaints - had an ultrasound,epidural, birth at the local hosp - everything my friend didnt have. she said she "didnt pay a dime for any of it" and is "really glad that God worked it out for her to get medicaid." She also says she is planning on having another child - and this time she is planning on getting on the state child health plan to get prenatal care.
Am I wrong to be pi$$ed off about this?? what is wrong with this pic?? And then I did some research on medicaid, and found that here in CO, 1/3 of childbirths are paid for by medicaid.
Now my perception of medicaid was that it was for the very poor, children and the elderly, but that just seems like a really high number of childbirths to be picked up by the taxpayer. Arguably, this is a segment of the population that theoretically would be able to work and obtain their own health insurance.
I just don't get it.
GardenDove
962 Posts
Should leaders lead or follow? As the leader of the free world we must display some strength. If we just roll over to the worlds demands then we will be taken over. (I am not advocating being the police of the world. I am advocating self defense, a little show and tell, and of course protecting our freedoms.) We are superior in many aspects. That is fact. We do make some bad decisions and mistakes, but we try to rectify them. (That is part of being great.) IMO, we live in the greatest country in the world. Of course if someone doesn't like what America is all about, then one can always move. There are other great countries out there.
My point is that sometimes this great nation needs to get off it's superiority kick and practice a little humility. We need to take an honest look at ourselves here. Most people in healthcare know that our patchwork, multipayer system of healthcare coverage is ineffecient and unfair.
Just because I critisize something about my country, btw, doesn't mean I should be told to like it or leave it. That's not a very democratic attitude. I agree this is a great country. But we're falling short on healthcare. It's ridiculous that a convicted felon should have health coverage, but not an unemployed nurse. There's something very wrong with that picture.
The numbers reflected in our comparative life expectancy point to the fact that sometimes we need to look at what others are doing better than us. We aren't the greatest at everything. Sometimes we aren't the leaders of the free world in all things, great and small, and we need to learn from others, such as our Canadian neighbors who apparently have a better healthcare system.
Just because I critisize something about my country, btw, doesn't mean I should be told to like it or leave it.
I was not implying that you should leave our country. I was only saying that those who wish to have that option. I apologize if it came out that way. :kiss Of course you have every right to speak up about what you don't like. (Another reason we have a great country)
