"Men should be EMT's or Doctors!" - page 3

So our floor had this little old lady who was basically your general pain in the keester. Declined meds, treatments, tests...and was needy as all get go but no one could satisfy her. Very bold... Read More

  1. by   imenid37
    Quote from teeituptom
    I look at things a little differently

    At 90 years old, she should be allowed to feel what ever way she wants to feel. By God she has earned that right.She has served her time, paid her dues,and who knows what factors she faced while achieving her 90 years.
    This world is big enough for all types, even me




    Let the Democrats regain control, please Lord
    Ya know, I just don't agree w/ you. Rude is rude. My co-worker told me her mother uses this excuse to insult various people and act out. She can feel however she wants. She should be called on acting out. As long as she is mentally coherent, her over the top behaviour shouldn't be dismissed. Hey my daughter is 18 and has been very ill. It doesn't mean she can get away w/ being a jerk, even though some people have lived a lifetime and not gone through all of the pain she had during a 7 year illness. I would be the first one to set her straight. Society validates and excuses too much bad behaviour, IMHO.
  2. by   teeituptom
    Quote from Tweety

    But Tom's idea that 90s can think and act anyway they choose doesn't set well with me unless they have dementia. But certainly, you're not going to change a 90 year old's mind about many things.

    Why we all know you supported Reagan, and we all know he had Dementia.

    At 90 if they want Vermouth daily then let them have it.

    At 90 if they want to smoke then let them

    At 90 if they want to be the way they are, then respect them for it.
  3. by   teeituptom
    Quote from imenid37
    Ya know, I just don't agree w/ you. Rude is rude. My co-worker told me her mother uses this excuse to insult various people and act out. She can feel however she wants. She should be called on acting out. As long as she is mentally coherent, her over the top behaviour shouldn't be dismissed. Hey my daughter is 18 and has been very ill. It doesn't mean she can get away w/ being a jerk, even though some people have lived a lifetime and not gone through all of the pain she had during a 7 year illness. I would be the first one to set her straight. Society validates and excuses too much bad behaviour, IMHO.

    I will tolerate it gladly from a 90 yr old person, they have earned the right. You take a 90 yo once independent female, once a dominant female, and place her in position of total dependence. That has to be a very very difficult change for her to go through.
    I may work ER, but I do like the geriatric part of it. The elderly deserve all our respect, no matter their behaviour. I like them with fire personally.
    Now you take some young pup that comes in acting out, with overbearing and strongly enabling parents. Now I admit they do try my patience.




    Let the Democrats regain control of the Congree and the Senate, Thank you Lord
  4. by   arelius
    Quote from teeituptom
    I look at things a little differently

    At 90 years old, she should be allowed to feel what ever way she wants to feel. By God she has earned that right.She has served her time, paid her dues,and who knows what factors she faced while achieving her 90 years.
    This world is big enough for all types, even me




    Let the Democrats regain control, please Lord
    Are you trying to be funny because that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
  5. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from teeituptom
    I will tolerate it gladly from a 90 yr old person, they have earned the right. You take a 90 yo once independent female, once a dominant female, and place her in position of total dependence. That has to be a very very difficult change for her to go through.
    I may work ER, but I do like the geriatric part of it. The elderly deserve all our respect, no matter their behaviour. I like them with fire personally.
    Now you take some young pup that comes in acting out, with overbearing and strongly enabling parents. Now I admit they do try my patience.




    Let the Democrats regain control of the Congree and the Senate, Thank you Lord
    This sounds reasonable to me.
  6. by   P_RN
    Though I totally disagree with this lady, I do understand she's from a different era. However consider this.....a year down the road your co-worker gets a summons for harrassment, assault whatever. The writeup is an excellent move. That way the circumstances are documented, Triage is in the loop and the co-worker is protected. It will be in the hands of the facility attorney and the facts will be there.
  7. by   imenid37
    I am glad someone thinks that they are willing to tolerate this on the basis of the person's age. Not me! I feel rudenes and selfishness should be labelled as just that, no matter what the age of the person (providing they are mentally intact). I don't think the response would be the same if she were a racial bigot or homophobe, or refused care from a Jewish person (happened to my friend). She would not be a cute little old lady who can do as she pleased, she'd be unpleasant and prejudiced because that is what this behaviour is. I know other people don't agree w/ me. I accept that. I just won't give someone a free pass to be obnoxious. O h well, I am glad people have more patience than me. I guess this is why I don't work w/ the elderly. The documentation and teamwork here were great. Do you think maybe she was just a spoiled person who was used to getting her own way all of the time?
  8. by   arelius
    Quote from teeituptom
    I will tolerate it gladly from a 90 yr old person, they have earned the right. You take a 90 yo once independent female, once a dominant female, and place her in position of total dependence. That has to be a very very difficult change for her to go through.
    I may work ER, but I do like the geriatric part of it. The elderly deserve all our respect, no matter their behaviour. I like them with fire personally.
    Now you take some young pup that comes in acting out, with overbearing and strongly enabling parents. Now I admit they do try my patience.




    Let the Democrats regain control of the Congree and the Senate, Thank you Lord
    It doesn't matter what their age is. If they want respect they need to be respectful also. And wouldn't it make more sense for an elderly person who having gone through a long life would have a better understanding of that concept instead of the exact opposite of being respectful? It doesn't matter what changes she is going through.
  9. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from arelius
    It doesn't matter what their age is. If they want respect they need to be respectful also. And wouldn't it make more sense for an elderly person who having gone through a long life would have a better understanding of that concept instead of the exact opposite of being respectful? It doesn't matter what changes she is going through.
    That's a bit harsh. Why not show respect regardless of whether you receive it or not? We don't need to lower ourselves to their level.

    As far as it "doesn't matter what changes she is going through?" Have you ever been unkind or lashed out in anger at a source other than the correct one? I have. I think we all have. Severe stress can push us to do things we would have never imagined. But by the grace of g-d...
  10. by   arelius
    Quote from multicollinarity
    That's a bit harsh. Why not show respect regardless of whether you receive it or not? We don't need to lower ourselves to their level.

    As far as it "doesn't matter what changes she is going through?" Have you ever been unkind or lashed out in anger at a source other than the correct one? I have. I think we all have. Severe stress can push us to do things we would have never imagined. But by the grace of g-d...
    The point I was trying to make is I would not respect a person if they are being disrespectful to me. If someone told me to get some "testes" and become a EMT or a doctor then, no, I would not have respect for that person. I would keep my cool and I would not lash out at that person but I would have ZERO respect for that person. And, sure, I agree that we have all lashed out at the wrong time, person, in the wrong place, etc..., but the fact still remains that it is wrong thing do that and I think you would agree with me on that. And since you use that line, "by the grace of G-d", wouldn't God tell you to be keep your cool and not lash out and be disrespectful, especially in this situation where some lady who should know better with all her life experience decided to be the bad guy?
  11. by   Demonsthenes
    When I went to Texas Womans University Nursing School in Dallas, two of my nursing instructors failed me stating that " I would make an excellent doctor but a poor nurse." I have a B.S. in Biochemistry and am a Certified Legal Assistant.Also,in a large class at Texas Womans University, in an auditorium full of at least 100 nursing students, an R.N. instructor at that same school stated: "Good nurses do not make good doctors and good doctors do not make good nurses." After she stated this all of the nursing students smiled and noded their heads in approval. I just sat their amazed at the blatant sexism openly voiced. Now, I have come to realized that my two instructors and the one in the large class room were not only openly voicing their sexist prejudices but, also, voicing their opinion with regard to the stereotyped socio-cultural class of nurses. That is, good nurses should be female and from working class back grounds (remember, at one time women from upper middle and upper class back grounds were not allowed in nursing. It was a profession considered beneath them). Good doctors should be male and from upper class or upper middle class back grounds. I am a male from an upper middle or upper class back ground. Therefore, my instructors thought it was inappropriate for me to be a nurse but that I would make a good doctor. In my career as an R.N., I have found this socio-cultural stereotyping as much as a cause of discrimination as my gender.
    I hope our legislators take some action to protect male nurses from discrimination, something which that have refused to do.
  12. by   tvccrn
    Quote from multicollinarity
    That's a bit harsh. Why not show respect regardless of whether you receive it or not? We don't need to lower ourselves to their level.
    I was brought up that you don't automatically get respect, you EARN it. Therefore, by some reckoning, I don't have to respect her because that's the way I am.

    tvccrn
  13. by   DusktilDawn
    Quote from tvccrn
    I was brought up that you don't automatically get respect, you EARN it. Therefore, by some reckoning, I don't have to respect her because that's the way I am.

    tvccrn
    I was also raised with this saying, however I disagree with it.

    If you want to get respect, you have to be respectful.

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