Let go from orientation

LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN · May 30, 2013

I wouldn't put it on there...I just feel as though if you were let go during a probationary period, it's not experience *shrugs*...I consider experience beyond the probation period...you are on your own, etc...heck, when you have job postings stating "upon successful completion of..." whatever, it wasn't successfully completed...the experience wasn't fulfilled.

And btw, I have omitted a job working for the gov...worked there for about 90 days...was let go, still successfully got hired, even in a tight job market. If you want to list it, by all means...otherwise play it by ear. Good Luck!!! ((HUGS))

HouTx, BSN, MSN, EdD · May 30, 2013

Have to disagree with PPs - DO NOT Leave this job off of future applications!!! It will show up when a prospective employer conducts your (required) background check.... If you have had FICA deductions, it will turn up when they check your SSN. Failure to include this information may be grounds for termination due to falsification of your application. It happens.

I just hate this!!! Anyone who hires a new grad without expecting to invest a significant amount of development time is seriously delusional - especially in a highly specialized area like L & D. I hope that you were provided with feedback on a regular basis so the "final" discussion did not come as a surprise.

ANY new employee - particularly new grads - need to be provided with clear information when they begin a new job. They need a copy of all of the criteria that will be used to determine "success" for orientation... and these criteria need to be objective & measurable. They need to have regular feedback to measure their progress towards meeting the criteria. If they are not progressing toward goal achievement quickly enough, they need to be provided with effective remediation options - e.g., attend class, extra simulation drills, etc. No one should ever be fired based on some ambiguous reason such as ... "not developing fast enough". They deserve clarity - "you are still unable to accurately assess cervical dilation", "Your FHT interpretation is only 70% accurate".. etc. Otherwise, you're left with a general feeling of inadequacy & failure rather than information you can act upon to improve your performance

newnurse1986 · May 30, 2013

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Have to disagree with PPs - DO NOT Leave this job off of future applications! It will show up when a prospective employer conducts your (required) background check.... If you have had FICA deductions, it will turn up when they check your SSN. Failure to include this information may be grounds for termination due to falsification of your application. It happens.
I just hate this! Anyone who hires a new grad without expecting to invest a significant amount of development time is seriously delusional - especially in a highly specialized area like L & D. I hope that you were provided with feedback on a regular basis so the "final" discussion did not come as a surprise.

ANY new employee - particularly new grads - need to be provided with clear information when they begin a new job. They need a copy of all of the criteria that will be used to determine "success" for orientation... and these criteria need to be objective & measurable. They need to have regular feedback to measure their progress towards meeting the criteria. If they are not progressing toward goal achievement quickly enough, they need to be provided with effective remediation options - e.g., attend class, extra simulation drills, etc. No one should ever be fired based on some ambiguous reason such as ... "not developing fast enough". They deserve clarity - "you are still unable to accurately assess cervical dilation", "Your FHT interpretation is only 70% accurate".. etc. Otherwise, you're left with a general feeling of inadequacy & failure rather than information you can act upon to improve your performance

Unfortunately, No! This came as a complete shock! During my 11 weeks there she called me in her office about 6 weeks in to check on me and then the next conversation she was dismissing me! I hate to list it on future applications because I'm afraid it will hurt me. This really bites! It took me about 3 months to get my first RN job so who knows how long ill be out of work now. I need to find out if I can file unemployment or not.

newnurse1986 · May 30, 2013

I just emailed the recruiter for the facility I got let go from to clarify with her that I am eligible for rehire..... This is what was said(below) and I'm a bit confused considering my manager told me Tuesday "I'm letting you go and i will give you two weeks pay to find a job".

Hi Karla,

Just wanted to clarify that I heard you correctly on Tuesday when we spoke. I am eligible for rehire, correct?

I applied for two positions posted on the website.

Angela,

You are still employed…so that is not an issue at this time….

avaloncar, BSN, RN · May 30, 2013

Whoa! Okay time to call the recruiter or even go there because this is something that needs to be spoken about face to face. So sorry this is all happening.

JustBeachyNurse, LPN · May 30, 2013

Perhaps because of the two weeks pay you are considered still an employee. Personally I'd email back asking for clarification. Still employed does not equal terminated. No wonder you are so confused. Did you get an exit interview or any paperwork when let go?

newnurse1986 · May 30, 2013

Yeah! I'm REALLY confused! Nope, no paperwork or anything. Idk what the heck is going on. The only thing I can think of is I'm still considered an employee until the 2 weeks is up.

nursevicki66 · May 30, 2013

I would schedule a meeting with the human resources department to clarify what your status is, what your requirements are, and if they have another position that you may fit into instead of looking for a position at another facility.

HR needs to know how nurses are treated in that department.

When you do meet with them, be positive, up beat, and do not say anything negative about your manager. It is OK to tell them that you were shocked by the decision because you did not have any reviews that indicated you were deficient. But you understand that if you are not meeting the requirements of the position that you might need to consider a different one.

RNitis · May 31, 2013

I know it's a devastating blow to the ego...trust me, I know. I was at a place and the DON told me she "just don't think your cut out for it, but remember you're still a nurse, why don't you try homecare?" RE: a LTC position in a place that just went on strike, had ALL temp people and I was only given 4 days orientation (being someones helper...not being oriented) before my epic fail ON MY OWN IN THE DEMENTIA UNIT WITH 31 patients...oh really, my first job, that's how you throw me in and expect me to make it?! She later admitted she was short nurses and that was not the right thing to do...still didn't work out. And glad it didn't, that place was an accident waiting to happen! Long story short, it took me 8 more months to find another position, but in a month I had 3 offers, I tried them all and stuck with two, one being (low and behold) another LTC, but wait...its run by (almost ) normal people, the people remember what it's like to be a new grad and are actually there to orient and teach. So, take a minute for your self pity (can't avoid it, but you can lessen the duration), then get out there and be persistent! Fill out a million applications and follow up. I've found going to the facility to complete the application (so they can put a face to the name) yields better results. Chin up! Get out there and you'll find another position!

FurBabyMom, MSN, RN · May 31, 2013

I would include it. Just because, excluding it would likely hurt you more than including it. Falsifying an application, many employers can terminate an employee or withdraw an offer for that reasoning. Explaining a job wasn't a "good" fit for you seems easier to me. It wasn't a good fit if that was the manager's opinion on providing adequate education to ensure safe staff development and practice. There should have been a conversation (many actually) about issues with performance and improving them.

Some of the comments the manager made should not have been made. It shows a lack of professionalism. You can't lump new grads all in a hopper - they are all individual, and all have strengths and weaknesses and things they learn, and they learn it in different ways.

There are better jobs out there. Hopefully you're able to find a better option soon! I'm sorry you're in the situation you are in though.

nrsyann · May 31, 2013

I would definitely contact HR. It sounds like you could apply for other positions in the hospital. If L&D isn't a good fit then something else will be. Is this a large hospital? Is it a health system where you could apply for a nursing position at another hospital of theirs?

Tammylyn · May 31, 2013

Hang in there,,i got reported not able to do my treatment on one pt.i relay the message to the next,incoming nurse,and told me not to worry she will take care of it,i was so behind that shift,that I did not give report on time ,i had 18pt,2 new admit,plus 2 pt.with tube feeding and 3 pt.to.hung atbx,+ & 5neb tx to give in 8hr shift +lab orders and had 2 cart to pass med each wing separated.i been hoping one cart meds at a time with pt.asking pain meds q4.i was exhausted..for that following day of work got in to office and let me go home early,and they let me wrote statement that I did not do my treatment and sign my initial,i was falsifying it and got in trouble.so I dont know if ill be terminated cuz im still new employee,and the don told me to wait for her call.i explain what im doing and I ask the pt.to do my treatment since it was to late.he refused and documented it..i dont know what to do...the nurse that reported me and was told by other nurse that been working there,thats what she always do,get everbody in trouble,