Help me bring this into the public!

LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN · Oct 30, 2014

not signing it...what a ludicrous petition.

OCNRN63, RN · Oct 30, 2014

I'm going to start a petition requesting that states revoke the licenses of stupid nurses.

LilBitty · Oct 30, 2014

Someone please read or look at her CNN interview.

no one can predict if I will develop Ebola or not in the next 21 days, and most aid workers who come back will not develop Ebola. So to quarantine everyone in case, you know, when you cannot predict who may develop Ebola or not, and to make me stay for 21 days, not be with my family, to put me through this emotional and physical stress, is completely unacceptable.

She sounds like a Whiny, Entitled, American Nurse. Her attitude IMO is negating everything she did over there. And then these are her words, SHE DOESNT EVEN KNOW IF SHE WILL DEVELOP SYMPTOMS EVEN AFTER TESTING NEGATIVE. She can Skype, Tango, FaceTime, call, and text whoever. She can walk, skip, jump, climb, and tumble wherever. As long as it's in her home until November 10th. When I had my DD during the winter (and early might I add), I did not complain once when the doctor said to not to take her out for the first two months. I kept my butt in the house for 61 days and did not mutter a peep because it was what was best for my baby. I did not care who wanted to see her or how badly I wanted a slushy from across the street, it had to be done. There are times when you just have to do what you have to do. I've already posted a link about the PCR testing, and above are her own words about her uncertainty. But you know what they say about us nurses, we're experts at finding and explaining reasons NOT to do something. "Oh 534 wants ice, it's 2345 and he's NPO at midnight anyway, plus he just had a cup, and it may make him pee and fall, not to mention he's in FVO, and it may make his stomach hurt...long pause...so no he's not getting ice."

X nuker RN · Oct 30, 2014

wow! wow!! wow!!. All I can say is that if all the people who are here advocating for this lady’s license to be revoked are truly nurses, then we are in bigger trouble as a Nation. That means the “American Media” has succeeded in eating our brains as nurses and as scientists too, and not just the general public. They managed to have people deny empirical evidences about climate change. Soon medical professionals will be questioning one another whether clearly evidence based practices could be a basis for practice…!

X nuker RN · Oct 30, 2014

....."any political hack can log into allnurses.com and begin to advocate abominable idea!

X nuker RN · Oct 30, 2014

I'm not sure what protocol you thought she should follow? The one made backed by evidence based epidemiology or the one made off the cuff by politicians who simply are pandering to the uninformed and misinformed public for political votes...?

SWM2009 · Oct 30, 2014

Oh good grief, so basically we should forget evidence based practice/science and just revoke her license because she will not shut up and do as she is told to pander to irrational hysterical fear.

I won't be signing the petition.

TiffyRN, BSN, PhD · Oct 30, 2014

"We've had a rash of drunk driving accidents in our city recently. As a result, we're requiring everyone in this Applebee's to refrain from driving for the rest of the evening because you MAY have ordered something from the bar."
- But I work here, I'm not drinking, and I have a 0.0% BAL.
"Your background and statistics don't impress me. I need to show that I'm doing something about these drunk drivers. Hand over your keys, now."
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Better safe than sorry!?

allnurses Guide · Oct 30, 2014

It's times like these I really miss Dr. C. Everett Koop. On the other hand, the fact that AN is attracting people who beat the drum for panic rather than reason and evidence means we're total players!

LilBitty · Oct 30, 2014

Everyone keeps saying evidence based practice, please show me these studies that you are defending that support this nurse's stance of refusing quarantine. I would also like to know which of you would be willing to participate in a study to find out exactly how quickly it can be contracted or exactly how long it takes to incubate. For the nurses saying that commend her, when you paid your fee to be licensed by your home state, you willingly accepted to follow the laws of your state (however ridiculous they may sound to you). If she willingly decides to break that law, she should be punished just as any other law abiding citizen. Now I am really concerned about how many nurses are breaking laws because they do not agree with them. What's crazy is the hospital does this all the time to patients. How many times have we argued with patients about not leaving the floor, or not to take their personal medications, or not to smoke in their rooms, or not to eat when they are NPO, or that we're not disclosing the results of their test because the physician has not spoken with them first, or restricting visitation because their family is worrisome. To be honest, we as nurses violate the simplest of civil rights each day at the hospital because the patient has a right to all of these things. Yet, civil rights only become an issue when it is done to us? Be for real. And it's not fear, it's being cautious. It is a law to wear your seatbelt. By your arguments, I should be demanding that my right to do what I want in my car supersede the state's law because it's my civil right to be able to move freely in my car without restriction. By your arguments, it isn't guaranteed that I will get into a car accident, nor is it guaranteed that if I do that I will be seriously injured for not wearing one. Until I actually get into a car accident of course. There is money that has to be paid for decontamination, money for tracking possible contacts, and money for watching these contacts. Then there is the factor of trust; can we trust this individual to report symptoms if he or she knew that they would be isolated. She already threw a temper tantrum when she read a 101 temp at the airport before getting a normal oral temp. This, I believe, is probably the reason they were so particular with her. She said she was angered about something and that's why her forehead was hot. So it seems everyone would rather chance bringing another disease to America that has no cure, no vaccination, and no treatment because a study has not been done. I don't care how "uneasy" anyone claims it is, the fact that it has a 70% mortality rate and can kill you within a matter of days is reason enough to be particularly careful in preventing its spread on American soil. Why play with people's lives like that all because you are too selfish to stay at home for a few weeks. If it's not causing you harm to stay at home, then why not do it. Because you could surely cause harm by not doing so. Be safe, not sorry.

Horseshoe, BSN, RN · Oct 30, 2014

I'll sign it. This is ridiculous. As a nurse, I am appalled by her actions. I don't care if she tested negative 15 times, if she is still within her 21 days she needs to toughen up and shut up. Good grief, it's only 21 days. If she is this bullheaded about something like this amidst an international crisis, I can only imagine how she is as a nurse. Everyone was complaining that enough wasn't being done, and now that someone is being proactive it's a problem. If that were me, and I can back from a heavily infected area, I would voluntarily quarantine myself in a tent because I would be too paranoid to be around my husband and children during that time frame.

One should lose their nursing license for being bullheaded? One should lose their license for not behaving in the same manner as you would?

It's one thing to disagree with this nurse and quite another to demand that she lose her nursing license because she doesn't allow herself to be bullied by politicians pandering to public fear or doesn't see things the same way as ourselves.

If every nurse who was stood up against perceived injustice lost their ability to practice, we'd lose a lot of amazing, valuable nurses in our profession.

TiffyRN, BSN, PhD · Oct 30, 2014

Everyone keeps saying evidence based practice, please show me these studies that you are defending that support this nurse's stance of refusing quarantine.
She already threw a temper tantrum when she read a 101 temp at the airport before getting a normal oral temp.
I don't care how "uneasy" anyone claims it is, the fact that it has a 70% mortality rate and can kill you within a matter of days is reason enough to be particularly careful in preventing its spread on American soil.

I am actually curious about the actual evidence base used to set the standards. Need to look that up. I'll get to it right after I finish my critical thinking exercise for school.

The type of thermometer used to get the 101 temp is extremely unreliable. Did a search on that a couple of nights ago. I don't understand how they are able to be used for anything but "entertainment value" after reading multiple studies on their reliability.

Actually those treated in the US for Ebola have about 12.5% mortality, that will go down if the NY doctor continues to recover (too soon to tell at this point). Those who have contracted Ebola in the US have a 100% survival rate. Not that I want it spread here, it's a hunny to treat, the person is miserable and the costs what with all the strict isolation are probably insanely outrageous; but I think it's inaccurate to use the 70% mortality figure for this disease in the US as an argument for removing civil rights; especially when the agencies with the medical expertise to make such decisions do not support such restrictive measures.

I even heard that with more help hitting Liberia, Ebola mortality has trended back down to 50%; i.e., healthcare aide is having an effect. Putting these draconian measures on do-gooders is going to decrease the numbers who are willing to go do that work; which is having an effect.

No matter how much we lock down our own citizens, lock down our borders, or any other isolationist move, if Ebola is not controlled in West Africa, it will leak into our country. Only then, it will be through unregulated channels, and when the victims are finally brought to medical care, the victims will be less likely to admit they might have been exposed or how they got into the country (cause it won't be legally), delaying the diagnosis and helping to infect more people, especially healthcare workers.