Nearly $5 million will go to train new Arizona nurses - page 2

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i read several journals and this one caught my eye and felt the need to share with all of you... "the phoenix business journal's matt haldane explains how nearly $5 million will be spread across several different groups as... Read More


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    The US demographic is one of a few healthcare challenges coming to a head. I have a feeling healthcare will be one of the next unsustainable US bubbles that burst.
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    *** Well I will believe it when I see it. Lots of boomers retirment plans have been trashed by the economy. We will see.
    Yes over supply. The has never been a nursing shortage since I became a nurse 17 years ago. Certainly there have been times when there were more nursing jobs available, but not due to a shortage of nurses. The "nurse shortage" is only false, self serving propaganda put out by those who stand to gain financialy from a glut of nurses. It worked, they are winning and have the profits to prove it. Even worse the have been assisted in doing so by the US tax payer. Certainly they were assisted by the bad economy, but it only moved the day of over supply up a few years.
    Granted that nurses have suspended their retirements and patients have suspended their elective procedures but the fact remains that they are only getting older, and sicker. Eventually we will see a dramatic increase in the patient population and a decrease in the again nursing population.

    The expected flood has turned into a trickle but that does not mean that there is not a lake behind the damn.
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    That is not going to stop the hospitals, from continuing to understaff and overwork the nursing staff. We have plenty of nurses RIGHT NOW that can be used improve staffing, but the hospitals are not using them.

    And lets not forget, the hospitals continued push to de skill the nursing profession and allow more non nurses to perform our professional practice, in our place. The drive to de-skill and dis-empower the nursing profession is only going to get worse.

    I have said it before, and I will say it again- the hospitals will not stop until they can run an entire hospital with as few nurses as possible and have the bulk of the care, professional and unprofessional, going to unlicensed assistive personnel. Mark my words.

    I NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS, believed that nurses aids would be allowed to pass medications, any place. Yet it is here. We allowed that to happen. What is going to stop hospitals from allowing the above scenario to occur? The BONs? They allowed medication aides to happen. They will allow anything to happen if the price is right.

    JMHO and my NY $0.02.
    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Somewhere in the PACNW
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    I would agree with you that hospitals will always strive to cut costs and maximize productivity, this is not always a bad thing mind you.

    The medication aide experiment is pretty unusual but this has been limited to only a few facilities, and only in LTC as far as I know. CNAs/PCTs/and Caregivers have been giving medications in various settings for a long time, mostly in group homes and in assisted living settings. The rules and laws are much different in the sub acute settings.

    The problem is not the hospitals, nor the BON, the problem is that we do not have a comprehensive laws concerning the practice of medicine. There is no comprehensive nursing scope of practice that defines nursing, like there is in California, and there are few vague laws concerning the practice of medicine.

    Medication Aides should not be a BON decision, it should be a legislative decision.
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    I had to move across country for a job. While barely 50% of my classmates got job (December 2011 graduates), I am at a hospital where the new grads (May 2012) and 75% of them have job and working as a RNA (who applied and have not take license yet). They are hired evenly into Med-surg to ICU.
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    Quote from Asystole RN
    Granted that nurses have suspended their retirements and patients have suspended their elective procedures but the fact remains that they are only getting older, and sicker. Eventually we will see a dramatic increase in the patient population and a decrease in the again nursing population.

    The expected flood has turned into a trickle but that does not mean that there is not a lake behind the damn.
    *** No worries, a vast over supply of RN has been created. The real question in my mind is will all those RNs who were lied to going to be willing to come back to nursing? Lot's of RNs who have been unable to find work, and theres a lot of them, have and will go into other fields.
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    Really informative article...Thanks.

    Yet another reason why I'm moving back to the East Coast after I graduate.....(not that it would be that much better there either lol but with that $5 Mill Project I wouldn't think it would be any worse)

    Nursing shortage.....what a joke....Yay for me Class of 2015!! Maybe if some ladies retire I might actually be able to find a job !!!
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    Quote from PMFB-RN

    *** No worries, a vast over supply of RN has been created. The real question in my mind is will all those RNs who were lied to going to be willing to come back to nursing? Lot's of RNs who have been unable to find work, and theres a lot of them, have and will go into other fields.
    The AZBN survey did not conclude that "lots" left nursing. Just curious if you have a survey or study that shows more than a couple of people found on Allnurses have left nursing?

    Seems like most people were able to find jobs, maybe not as fast as before and not in the departments they liked but most did find employment rather quickly.
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    Quote from CinDRnyc

    Really informative article...Thanks.

    Yet another reason why I'm moving back to the East Coast after I graduate.....(not that it would be that much better there either lol but with that $5 Mill Project I wouldn't think it would be any worse)

    Nursing shortage.....what a joke....Yay for me Class of 2015!! Maybe if some ladies retire I might actually be able to find a job !!!
    There are jobs available. They just aren't on every corner nor in every department.


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