You're browsing the web one day and come across some videos that expose girls private parts when they're on the exam table. How do you figure they got there.
The patients were denied the right to medical care unless they agreed to be exposed in public
We reserve the right to publish videos of you on the exam table for educational purposes†was hidden so deep into the fine print that some patients signed it in a hurry with tired eyes and thought they were seeing things
The patients were re-compensated for the loss of their medical privacy so they never had to work again
They put the patients on video without their knowledge and snuck it on YouTube and no one has reported it yet
HIPAA makes an allowance for practitioners who film their patients for public education
All the above
None of the above
How in the name of God did they get these people to agree to be filmed during their medical exams?
They show the girls' faces so you might recognize them and show close-up pictures of their private parts to display on YouTube?
All I had to do was sign into my account and tell them I'm eighteen or older to access these videos.
They show graphic pictures that I didn't really need to see. In one of them, the man doing the lady partsl exam actually addresses the patient by Ms……..†followed by her last name which really gave me the creeps.
Some but not all these videos had drawings of girls private parts which is all they really need to educate the anyone including nurses and medical students.
Any creepy eight-year-old can create a YouTube account and pretend they're eighteen or older. Any peeping tom can gain access to these pictures that show the private parts of girls in their practitioners offices and if you ever knew any sex predators, this whole idea would creep you out.
The girls exposed on the exam table never show the viewers that they know they're being filmed outside of one patient who smiles and holds a flower and who only has her face exposed to the camera.
When I was in training and we used patients for educational purposes it meant we were all inside of a shut curtain or closed up room protecting the patient's dignity.
In my general goings about I meet up with people who have no clue about a patient's right to privacy.
They seem to think it's ludicrous when you ask them to mind their own business.
They seem to think it's their own decision whether they invade someone's privacy depending on whether THEY are okay with it and sometimes depending on whether they sacrificed their own privacy and sometimes because of their own self-importance.
One person even told me, Well you have to talk about it,†when I refused to talk about my patients during a gathering. In this case, they expected me to think I was the poor little victim that has to talk about it.â€
The publics' ignorance and insensitivity are only being made worse by the availability of publicized pap smears. They make no mention of the fact that these patients are vulnerable.
They do not explain to their vast audience how the right to privacy and dignity are tied in with videos of patients' exams.
Maybe someone could clear up my confusion as far as how a medical office can reserve the right to go public with the care of their patients and include identifying information like the patients faces. I know there has to be some detailed process these people follow before they publish a video.
I would like to think the patients watch the videos first and then give their permission for them to be published.
I would like to think HIPAA requires the permission form for these pictures to be published to be separate from all other forms.
I do hope the entitlement of these practitioners to publish these videos is not because of some statement buried somewhere in a legal agreement that someone signs when they desperately need care.
I do hope You can't share pictures of me†is still an option when they expose someone's private parts on YouTube.
I just finished nursing school and used youtube quite a lot for learning/studying and I never happened across one of these videos. This is the first I'm hearing about them. Then again, I never searched youtube specifically for, say, "pap smear" videos. How does anyone accidentally find themselves watching such a video and not being able to simply "click" off of it when there is something that person does not want to see? Moreover, you seem to have gone on to watch several of them. And now you have brought attention to them on a large forum, which will make sure more people search for them and see them— for all your worry about privacy being violated. This is rather strange.
This is one reason why the links are not provided on this thread.
Also I'm curious. You say these mean people who demanded you "violate hipaa" decided you were a poor "victim". Victim of what? What kind of general going ons, as you put it, involve groups of people pestering you with demands of details, and then pronounce you a victim?
It gets curiouser and curiouser.
Maybe I should re-phrase this. People who distribute information are sometimes seen as victims who "need to get it out," rather than the abusers they are, but this is getting into a different subject and really needs a different thread. When I feel victimized by a patient I usually get help from my supervisors and co-workers and they have insights that help me. I do not confide with outsiders.
Yeah, I just realized this is the same poster who asked about taking pictures of their cute little old lady residents, and how it's unfair s/he can't do that, but news programs can videotape dementia patients.
What someone mentioned in that thread is that I do not think it's unfair that I can't do that.
Of the entire original post, this is the part I find the most disturbing. Personally, I find it creepy that you (OP) refer to an 8-year-old child as even having the capacity to be "creepy". As mentioned above, if a child of that age is acting in an inappropriate sexual manner, it is likely because some sick, repulsive adult in their life has exposed them to it in one way or another.
Sorry about that. I just had to vent because in my general goings about, I have met up with adults who are still acting like eight-year-olds with their sense of entitlement to invade people's privacy and judge them.
Well, it isn't that I wanted to look on Youtube but sometimes when you search for things on Google, the list you get includes things on YouTube.
Lol. Videos of "girls' private parts" just came up during your normal Google search. I just hate it when I'm searching for that really great banana bread recipe and videos of private parts mysteriously appear.
It's just really weird that the OP "didn't know" that instructional nursing videos involve paid participants. Or more likely, the videos in question were not instructional nursing videos at all.
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
It wasn't long ago that I found out medical students had real human beings to practice on, aka medical models. I don't know if this is part of APRN programs so I am not excluding the possibility they are used in those areas.
If you read blogs written by these students as they learn you will clearly see that the examiner is much more nervous than the model, and generally has an audience and professor there as well. If we could link to outside blogs I could point you to a real doozy for one unfortunate soul who managed to unscrew one of the stirrups and have it go crashing to the floor in a highly audible manner.........
Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
What someone mentioned in that thread is that I do not think it's unfair that I can't do that.
Well, what you said was that you felt it was a double standard that you cannot take pictures of residents, even if you care about them and find them photogenic, but that news crews can film them for documentaries on dementia.
Maybe I should re-phrase this. People who distribute information are sometimes seen as victims who "need to get it out," rather than the abusers they are, but this is getting into a different subject and really needs a different thread. When I feel victimized by a patient I usually get help from my supervisors and co-workers and they have insights that help me. I do not confide with outsiders.
So now you aren't the victim, the people who go about "violating hipaa" are the victims? Where exactly are you working that hipaa is just one huge joke? Your profile says you're a pre-nursing student with 20 years experience. Your words and odd crusades suggest otherwise. I'm quite curious what you were searching for on Google that "half naked female genital exams" popped up on YouTube as a result.
As far as medical scene kink, I don't judge. Plenty of adults get their rocks off in ways I don't and it's fine by me provided everyone consents and no one is harmed.
I'm not going to go into you creepy kid comment but I will share that I judged you, and very harshly, for that comment. Very ignorant and ridiculous.
Many people WANT to participate in the educating of both health care providers and the general public. Often this is because they've lost a family member to a disease that is more easily treated through regular screenings- ie, colon cancer, breast cancer, cervical cancer. Sometimes just knowing that they helped an NP learn to do a more thorough exam or helped a 20 year old work up the courage to get her first gyn exam is enough.
VANurse2010 I live in a world where practitioners violate their clients confidentiality and where peoples' private information is distributed across the countryside without their consent and where people argue with me about my right to keep my patients' information confidential. Also, HIPAA would not even include any part about selling private patient information if this was so rare.
OP, I see you listed USA on your profile. From what you state above, it sounds like you're in some third world country. I may be naive, but what part of the USA are you in that patient's PHI is freely distributed without consent? I've never encountered any physician/nurse/etc. or medical establishment that did not take HIPAA seriously and just outright, blatantly ignored it.
What is your obsession with patients and pictures?
Exactly. What is it? Weren't you (OP) the one who started a post about taking pictures of residents in nursing homes?
This whole focus is odd and seems obsessive. Per the OP's postings, they live somewhere in the northeast and apparently in an area where HIPAA doesn't exist and racism is rampant. Just odd all around. It would be nice if the OP stopped being cryptic in their wording and just spelled it out. What is really happening where you work?
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This is one reason why the links are not provided on this thread.