You're browsing the web one day and come across some videos that expose girls private parts when they're on the exam table. How do you figure they got there.
The patients were denied the right to medical care unless they agreed to be exposed in public
We reserve the right to publish videos of you on the exam table for educational purposes†was hidden so deep into the fine print that some patients signed it in a hurry with tired eyes and thought they were seeing things
The patients were re-compensated for the loss of their medical privacy so they never had to work again
They put the patients on video without their knowledge and snuck it on YouTube and no one has reported it yet
HIPAA makes an allowance for practitioners who film their patients for public education
All the above
None of the above
How in the name of God did they get these people to agree to be filmed during their medical exams?
They show the girls' faces so you might recognize them and show close-up pictures of their private parts to display on YouTube?
All I had to do was sign into my account and tell them I'm eighteen or older to access these videos.
They show graphic pictures that I didn't really need to see. In one of them, the man doing the lady partsl exam actually addresses the patient by Ms……..†followed by her last name which really gave me the creeps.
Some but not all these videos had drawings of girls private parts which is all they really need to educate the anyone including nurses and medical students.
Any creepy eight-year-old can create a YouTube account and pretend they're eighteen or older. Any peeping tom can gain access to these pictures that show the private parts of girls in their practitioners offices and if you ever knew any sex predators, this whole idea would creep you out.
The girls exposed on the exam table never show the viewers that they know they're being filmed outside of one patient who smiles and holds a flower and who only has her face exposed to the camera.
When I was in training and we used patients for educational purposes it meant we were all inside of a shut curtain or closed up room protecting the patient's dignity.
In my general goings about I meet up with people who have no clue about a patient's right to privacy.
They seem to think it's ludicrous when you ask them to mind their own business.
They seem to think it's their own decision whether they invade someone's privacy depending on whether THEY are okay with it and sometimes depending on whether they sacrificed their own privacy and sometimes because of their own self-importance.
One person even told me, Well you have to talk about it,†when I refused to talk about my patients during a gathering. In this case, they expected me to think I was the poor little victim that has to talk about it.â€
The publics' ignorance and insensitivity are only being made worse by the availability of publicized pap smears. They make no mention of the fact that these patients are vulnerable.
They do not explain to their vast audience how the right to privacy and dignity are tied in with videos of patients' exams.
Maybe someone could clear up my confusion as far as how a medical office can reserve the right to go public with the care of their patients and include identifying information like the patients faces. I know there has to be some detailed process these people follow before they publish a video.
I would like to think the patients watch the videos first and then give their permission for them to be published.
I would like to think HIPAA requires the permission form for these pictures to be published to be separate from all other forms.
I do hope the entitlement of these practitioners to publish these videos is not because of some statement buried somewhere in a legal agreement that someone signs when they desperately need care.
I do hope You can't share pictures of me†is still an option when they expose someone's private parts on YouTube.
Specializes in Complex pedi to LTC/SA & now a manager.
Option G seems the most likely; this is what is called 'reality Media', which includes many sub-categories including realistic appearing but staged medical exams with actors pretending to be patients and doctors. There's a lot of really weird stuff out their in the Media world, so I'm told anyway, and much of it does make it's way through YouTube's filters.
Specializes in public health, women's health, reproductive health.
I just finished nursing school and used youtube quite a lot for learning/studying and I never happened across one of these videos. This is the first I'm hearing about them. Then again, I never searched youtube specifically for, say, "pap smear" videos. How does anyone accidentally find themselves watching such a video and not being able to simply "click" off of it when there is something that person does not want to see? Moreover, you seem to have gone on to watch several of them. And now you have brought attention to them on a large forum, which will make sure more people search for them and see them— for all your worry about privacy being violated. This is rather strange.
Also I'm curious. You say these mean people who demanded you "violate hipaa" decided you were a poor "victim". Victim of what? What kind of general going ons, as you put it, involve groups of people pestering you with demands of details, and then pronounce you a victim?
Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
What is your obsession with patients and pictures?
Yeah, I just realized this is the same poster who asked about taking pictures of their cute little old lady residents, and how it's unfair s/he can't do that, but news programs can videotape dementia patients.
Specializes in Med nurse in med-surg., float, HH, and PDN.
Odd!
Before the days of the internet, our classroom videos were all from the Army or some other armed services. The 'patients' were all service members, and volunteering or being volunteered by an officer brought no compensation. No faces were blurred out, but they weren't identified, either. It was all extremely clinical and simply for visual example to explain a particular procedure.
It was embarrassing for us young, female students and we tried hard not to giggle. For many of us it was the first time seeing male parts, and the female exams made us squirm in our seats. None of us looked forward to the classes in which a 'training film' was to be shown.
I can't even begin to imagine being shown on YouTube. It's something I've never considered or been aware of. Too bad it gives the perv-world still another place to be titillated.
You're browsing the web one day and come across some videos that expose girls private parts when they're on the exam table.
They show graphic pictures that I didn't really need to see. In one of them...
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OP, I don't understand why you've watched several of these YouTube videos if you find them upsetting? Why subject yourself to that? I've never even stumbled upon a single one, but I guess it could happen. However, viewing multiples suggests to me that you've actively looked for them.
As I mentioned, I've never watched any of these videos but I very much doubt that they involve patients who've been unknowingly recorded. A healthcare provider would not only have to completely lack professionalism (and quite frankly be rather deviant) in order to do this, but would have to be utterly stupid as well to choose to post the evidence of their trangressions on the internet. I would assume that the people in the videos are either actors or patients who've for various reasons consented to it.
Any creepy eight-year-old can create a YouTube account and pretend they're eighteen or older.
I honestly don't think that there are many of those around. Perhaps curious about the anatomy of girls, but that's usually a few years later. The only children I've encountered that young who act out in a way that can be remotely described as "creepy", are usually the victims of abuse. I don't think that it's fair to describe these children as creepy though.
In my general goings about I meet up with people who have no clue about a patient's right to privacy.
They seem to think it's ludicrous when you ask them to mind their own business.
They seem to think it's their own decision whether they invade someone's privacy depending on whether THEY are okay with it and sometimes depending on whether they sacrificed their own privacy and sometimes because of their own self-importance.
One person even told me, Well you have to talk about it,†when I refused to talk about my patients during a gathering. In this case, they expected me to think I was the poor little victim that has to talk about it.â€.
I don't understand this part. Who are these "people"? Friends, family, coworkers?
Do they expect you to divulge information about your patients and do they think of you as a victim (?) when you won't? I'm genuinely confused.
I'm glad you don't divulge information about patients to those not involved in their care. You're doing what's expected (ethically and legally) of healthcare professionals.
If someone has a hard time understanding that, it's on them.
The only children I've encountered that young who act out in a way that can be remotely described as "creepy", are usually the victims of abuse. I don't think that it's fair to describe these children as creepy.
Of the entire original post, this is the part I find the most disturbing. Personally, I find it creepy that you (OP) refer to an 8-year-old child as even having the capacity to be "creepy". As mentioned above, if a child of that age is acting in an inappropriate sexual manner, it is likely because some sick, repulsive adult in their life has exposed them to it in one way or another.
VANurse2010 I live in a world where practitioners violate their clients confidentiality and where peoples' private information is distributed across the countryside without their consent and where people argue with me about my right to keep my patients' information confidential. Also, HIPAA would not even include any part about selling private patient information if this was so rare. The word "hyperbolic," was used but I could fall asleep counting the people who don't understand the right to privacy.
Some people asked why did you watch so many of them and it was in part because I wanted to see what kind of extreme this stuff was carried to.
Being as these are not real patients but instead just models this turns out to have nothing to do with HIPAA or the right to privacy.
A few of my sister's friends did this, in college and broke students will do many things for some cash. Some are theater majors so they work hard at not looking like they are pretending/acting.
Thank you, this is the kind of answer I was looking for.
Option G seems the most likely; this is what is called 'reality Media', which includes many sub-categories including realistic appearing but staged medical exams with actors pretending to be patients and doctors. There's a lot of really weird stuff out their in the Media world, so I'm told anyway, and much of it does make it's way through YouTube's filters.
JustBeachyNurse, LPN
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