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Hey all! I am reapplying and wanted to create this for everyone applying. I won't be as involved as I was last year, but good luck to everyone! I know they're having seminars and allowing people to schedule one on one consultations for applications.

I really hope I get in because if I don’t it’s gonna be a weird period of not knowing where to live/work LOL

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17 hours ago, Psychmeout2 said:

Thank you for the recommendation !! @kc_FNPtobe  Yes even with working every day, it is heavy on my mind so I appreciate you realizing it may not helpful for some haha. I'll just wish in this anxious waiting there's good stuff that happens for everyone as well! Do you mind if I ask if there has been an update regarding the incidents that have happening on campus? I know you said look out for an article and the professor will not longer be presenting with the son, just wanted to ask someone who is in the thick of what is happening. 

There have been no updates - which is surprising. They're probably trying to rectify internally to not tarnish the name. The professor resigned from Yale so he no longer teaches at either school. It was his side/retirement job as he is a neurosurgeon.

I would like to mention the whole context, however. My cohort is very politically and socially active and they came at another lecturer hard during the pelvic exam and to get him to use gender-neutral language (which he started the lecture stating he would try his best, but he is old and is learning). It became aggressive and an uncomfortable environment. Then, they came at him again so the other lecturer interrupted saying language is ever-evolving and materials (they created an iBook series which is so helpful) can only be updated so quickly. Some classmates didn't like that response to he attempted to drive the point home and asked if we would throw out every copy of Huckleberry Finn because they say ".....". He should not have said it, but it is not like it came out of nowhere and was an attempt at a powerful analogy. There are def better analogies out there and it hurt my classmates deeply. I just wanted to let you know the scenario in which it happened to better paint a picture that it was not a direct attack or randomly blurted. 

I'm not sure if you have access, but I think you may. If you're interested in looking at the beautiful iBooks they're free in the Apple Bookstore as "Human Anatomy Video Project". These are our study materials for anatomy and they were not cheap or easy to make which is why they can't be updated very quickly.

I hope I did not offend as I was just trying to tell you all sides of what happened that day. I also hope you have access to those books because that could be another way to keep your minds pre-occupied and get an idea of the wonderful resources available to students. 

 

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17 hours ago, confuseddog said:

I really hope I get in because if I don’t it’s gonna be a weird period of not knowing where to live/work LOL

I'm in the same boat, trying to get an apartment and it's super awkward trying to get one as I do not want to sign a full year lease if I'm going to be moving anyway. 

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6 minutes ago, Psychmeout2 said:

I'm in the same boat, trying to get an apartment and it's super awkward trying to get one as I do not want to sign a full year lease if I'm going to be moving anyway. 

IDK if this would be helpful, but maybe look for local subleases! I found one that goes until late July so I will either be able to move more easily, or have plenty of time to find a new place if I don’t get in.

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1 hour ago, kc_FNPtobe said:

There have been no updates - which is surprising. They're probably trying to rectify internally to not tarnish the name. The professor resigned from Yale so he no longer teaches at either school. It was his side/retirement job as he is a neurosurgeon.

I would like to mention the whole context, however. My cohort is very politically and socially active and they came at another lecturer hard during the pelvic exam and to get him to use gender-neutral language (which he started the lecture stating he would try his best, but he is old and is learning). It became aggressive and an uncomfortable environment. Then, they came at him again so the other lecturer interrupted saying language is ever-evolving and materials (they created an iBook series which is so helpful) can only be updated so quickly. Some classmates didn't like that response to he attempted to drive the point home and asked if we would throw out every copy of Huckleberry Finn because they say ".....". He should not have said it, but it is not like it came out of nowhere and was an attempt at a powerful analogy. There are def better analogies out there and it hurt my classmates deeply. I just wanted to let you know the scenario in which it happened to better paint a picture that it was not a direct attack or randomly blurted. 

I'm not sure if you have access, but I think you may. If you're interested in looking at the beautiful iBooks they're free in the Apple Bookstore as "Human Anatomy Video Project". These are our study materials for anatomy and they were not cheap or easy to make which is why they can't be updated very quickly.

I hope I did not offend as I was just trying to tell you all sides of what happened that day. I also hope you have access to those books because that could be another way to keep your minds pre-occupied and get an idea of the wonderful resources available to students. 

 

I understand what you mean, sometimes in the heat of the moment things can go from 0 to 100 really quick, which may not help the situation. While I'm deeply offended as someone  who has experienced that slur that the analogy was used at all, it's super helpful to know the professor did not use it in the context of attacking a black student. I'm not gonna lie, that was my assumption as I know others who that has happened to on their campus. I still agree that analogy should not have been used at all. A lot of  schools with mostly black students actually do not present that book for that very reason, it's a charged subject. It's a complex situation and in no means do I expect people to change things instaneously, that's just unrealistic in a system not built for certain populations. However, the solution should not be dragged on either so I do appreciate people in the cohort are not backing down. Hopefully there can be some type of resolution from this point forward. The hard conversations need to happen and it's such a tough thing to navigate, especially with folks from older generations who were taught differently. I know from experience how hard it is to balance trying to have a productive conversation with not having the energy to try to teach people what is wrong with an action that was harmful every single time it happens. Thank you for providing that context. 

4 minutes ago, Cprincesa said:

IDK if this would be helpful, but maybe look for local subleases! I found one that goes until late July so I will either be able to move more easily, or have plenty of time to find a new place if I don’t get in.

Thanks! I had not thought about that actually. I'm looking into buildings that allow for short term leases so like you said, I can decide whether or not to move forward from there after decisions are made.  

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2 hours ago, kc_FNPtobe said:

There have been no updates - which is surprising. They're probably trying to rectify internally to not tarnish the name. The professor resigned from Yale so he no longer teaches at either school. It was his side/retirement job as he is a neurosurgeon.

I would like to mention the whole context, however. My cohort is very politically and socially active and they came at another lecturer hard during the pelvic exam and to get him to use gender-neutral language (which he started the lecture stating he would try his best, but he is old and is learning). It became aggressive and an uncomfortable environment. Then, they came at him again so the other lecturer interrupted saying language is ever-evolving and materials (they created an iBook series which is so helpful) can only be updated so quickly. Some classmates didn't like that response to he attempted to drive the point home and asked if we would throw out every copy of Huckleberry Finn because they say ".....". He should not have said it, but it is not like it came out of nowhere and was an attempt at a powerful analogy. There are def better analogies out there and it hurt my classmates deeply. I just wanted to let you know the scenario in which it happened to better paint a picture that it was not a direct attack or randomly blurted. 

I'm not sure if you have access, but I think you may. If you're interested in looking at the beautiful iBooks they're free in the Apple Bookstore as "Human Anatomy Video Project". These are our study materials for anatomy and they were not cheap or easy to make which is why they can't be updated very quickly.

I hope I did not offend as I was just trying to tell you all sides of what happened that day. I also hope you have access to those books because that could be another way to keep your minds pre-occupied and get an idea of the wonderful resources available to students. 

 

So with all this in mind, honest question, would you recommend choosing Yale if you are anywhere to the right of this politically? My political center of gravity is somewhere around the early 2000s Biden/McCain/Lieberman cadre of senators and while I am happy to call people what they identify as, tripping up a retired adjunct instructor during what sounds like an anatomy class seems to be an archetypal example of overreach. He obviously shouldn't have said that word, but anyone who thinks the students were right or that he meant the word nefariously (as presented in the Yale Daily) is also part of the problem.

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7 minutes ago, GreenMagus87 said:

So with all this in mind, honest question, would you recommend choosing Yale if you are anywhere to the right of this politically? My political center of gravity is somewhere around the early 2000s Biden/McCain/Lieberman cadre of senators and while I am happy to call people what they identify as, tripping up a retired adjunct instructor during what sounds like an anatomy class seems to be an archetypal example of overreach. He obviously shouldn't have said that word, but anyone who thinks the students were right or that he meant the word nefariously (as presented in the Yale Daily) is also part of the problem.

As an applicant of color—and someone who “leans left”—I would argue this has nothing to do with politics, and more perhaps, with students being a little overzealous. I obviously wasn’t there, but I do agree that the way it was presented in the Yale Daily made it seem much worse. I suppose this is a powerful lesson as to why context is key. 

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1 hour ago, GreenMagus87 said:

So with all this in mind, honest question, would you recommend choosing Yale if you are anywhere to the right of this politically? My political center of gravity is somewhere around the early 2000s Biden/McCain/Lieberman cadre of senators and while I am happy to call people what they identify as, tripping up a retired adjunct instructor during what sounds like an anatomy class seems to be an archetypal example of overreach. He obviously shouldn't have said that word, but anyone who thinks the students were right or that he meant the word nefariously (as presented in the Yale Daily) is also part of the problem.

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1 hour ago, PinkFreud said:

As an applicant of color—and someone who “leans left”—I would argue this has nothing to do with politics, and more perhaps, with students being a little overzealous. I obviously wasn’t there, but I do agree that the way it was presented in the Yale Daily made it seem much worse. I suppose this is a powerful lesson as to why context is key. 

I'm also a leftie POC and I agree with this.

If the professor made a sincere apology and learned from this that would have sufficed in my book. . 

That said, getting to the point of context, the article also mentioned the DEI director resigning due to the toxic culture, and students of color saying they generally don't feel safe/supported in the environment. So I would imagine that background colored the reaction as well. 

I'm still mulling all this over. I still hope to have the opportunity to attend Yale. In part because it sounds like there are a lot of allies amongst the current student body.  And also because it's easiest to change the system from within it. One of my long-term goals is to become a nursing professor, and to have a more diverse faculty, we need students of color graduating from places like YSN. 

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On 11/16/2020 at 11:21 AM, secondtimer14 said:

I'm also a leftie POC and I agree with this.

If the professor made a sincere apology and learned from this that would have sufficed in my book. . 

That said, getting to the point of context, the article also mentioned the DEI director resigning due to the toxic culture, and students of color saying they generally don't feel safe/supported in the environment. So I would imagine that background colored the reaction as well. 

I'm still mulling all this over. I still hope to have the opportunity to attend Yale. In part because it sounds like there are a lot of allies amongst the current student body.  And also because it's easiest to change the system from within it. One of my long-term goals is to become a nursing professor, and to have a more diverse faculty, we need students of color graduating from places like YSN. 

Interesting. I am also "a person of color" but I am not Black. Therefore my thoughts and feelings can only go so far and do not hold half the weight of Black students. I wonder how Black students responded to this? Were there any who responded to the actions of this situation? 

 

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1 minute ago, wp650 said:

Interesting. I am also "a person of color" but I am not Black. Therefore my thoughts and feelings can only go so far and do not hold half the weight of Black students. I wonder how Black students responded to this? Were there any who responded to the actions of this situation? 

 

From the articles I read, the environment was part of why the Black Council was formed. I did notice that last year when researching the school of nursing that that was not really listed. Also a couple of black students, both unnamed and named, tried going to town halls, speaking up about certain classes and in general spoke on how this is not an isolated incident. It happens often enough for them to feel like they were tricked into thinking that Yale would protect them more as black students than what actually ended up happening. So yes, I agree changing the language of the text cannot happen that quickly but I think the strong reaction is from a buildup of frustration regarding past incidents that have not been addressed. Perhaps more serious situations have not received the attention it deserves and people are just tired of it. I'd still be honored to go as well, just want for students voices to be heard and more importantly, action to actually be taken go forward in regards to systemic issues within Yale.  

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