Writing “poop” is unprofessional?

[guest1143647]

I got written up for saying poop. It was one of those nights and instead of saying” large, hard bm” I said “poop”. I just didn’t think it was a big deal. But apparently it was. The DON printed up my nurses note and explained why it was unprofessional. 

This is weirding me out. This is a place that can’t keep nurses btw. 

[Ashlee59]

On 1/9/2022 at 4:35 PM, Leader25 said:

No supervisor is ever "justified" in using the "write up" as a torment tool for such a thing.Save it for important things like forgery,drug use,or WUI(working under the influence).

My opinion still stands. Whether you like it or not she got the write up. Your words can't change that. The supervisor was justified. 

[Davey Do]

Writing someone up for using the word poop in their documentation and posting it for all to see is ludicrous.

Having 3 1/2 years of experience as an administrator, I would not have taken such drastic measures, as it does no good for anyone. When an employee that I supervised would do something that was not correct and negatively affected no one, I would merely speak to them in private with a little positive criticism.

Following "Praise in public, criticize in private" will go much further than "The beatings will continue until morale improves".

[toomuchbaloney]

On 1/9/2022 at 12:16 PM, Ashlee59 said:

Your supervisor is justified in writing you up. You know better than to document that way. Your profile says 18 years of experience.  That was very unprofessional of you

Baloney. 

[toomuchbaloney]

19 hours ago, Ashlee59 said:

My opinion still stands. Whether you like it or not she got the write up. Your words can't change that. The supervisor was justified. 

Managers who engage in that fashion need some management training. They deserve the terrible morale and poor staffing that will flow from their petty tactics but the patient's don't.

[159Nursesrule, ADN, BSN, CNA, EMT-B]

We had a GI doctor that chastized our baby nurses for just putting the Patient had a BM. I wrote:  Patient had a copious amount of brown, bright red, black semi-soft to solid-hard (rock-like) feces.   The Patient strained to the point of vasovagal reaction to produce BM. Could not flush down the toilet maintenance called to clear the blockage. Provider notified, will write new orders.

 

[Ashlee59]

On 1/12/2022 at 6:47 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

Baloney. 

At the end of the day she still has the write up despite what you say. So ??‍♀️

I don't know if you guys realize or even comprehend the fact that state reviews documentation. The hospital or wherever she works get dinged for stuff like this. It's fine and dandy to you guys because it isn't your loved one she's documenting on. What if the bm was black which could be a sign of an occult bleed, what if the bm was watery showing signs of diarrhea leading to possible dehydration, what if the stool had an extremely foul odor and was loose indicating signs of c.diff?  Companies get dinged for stuff like this and patient's don't get the treatment they deserve due to poor documentation. Maybe you're in the wrong field.

[Ashlee59]

On 1/12/2022 at 6:51 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

Managers who engage in that fashion need some management training. They deserve the terrible morale and poor staffing that will flow from their petty tactics but the patient's don't.

I don't know if you guys realize or even comprehend the fact that state reviews documentation. The hospital or wherever she works get dinged for stuff like this. It's fine and dandy to you guys because it isn't your loved one she's documenting on. What if the bm was black which could be a sign of an occult bleed, what if the bm was watery showing signs of diarrhea leading to possible dehydration, what if the stool had an extremely foul odor and was loose indicating signs of c.diff?  Companies get dinged for stuff like this and patient's don't get the treatment they deserve due to poor documentation. 

[toomuchbaloney]

48 minutes ago, Ashlee59 said:

I don't know if you guys realize or even comprehend the fact that state reviews documentation. The hospital or wherever she works get dinged for stuff like this. It's fine and dandy to you guys because it isn't your loved one she's documenting on. What if the bm was black which could be a sign of an occult bleed, what if the bm was watery showing signs of diarrhea leading to possible dehydration, what if the stool had an extremely foul odor and was loose indicating signs of c.diff?  Companies get dinged for stuff like this and patient's don't get the treatment they deserve due to poor documentation. 

Every American nurse understands that their documentation is reviewed and important.  Apparently you are among those nurses who don't know what bad management looks like or includes. No one is confused when they read about poop. We all know what the word means.  Describing feces using an unprofessional adjective is not against the law and is not an excuse for a manager to publicly bully a health professional. 

Patients don't get the care they need because nurses are treated badly in health care settings as a matter of routine. 

 

[Ashlee59]

9 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Every American nurse understands that their documentation is reviewed and important.  Apparently you are among those nurses who don't know what bad management looks like or includes. No one is confused when they read about poop. We all know what the word means.  Describing feces using an unprofessional adjective is not against the law and is not an excuse for a manager to publicly bully a health professional. 

Patients don't get the care they need because nurses are treated badly in health care settings as a matter of routine. 

 

Every American nurse doesnt get that apparently based on your comments and her documentation.  It doesn't matter what you say. She still got the write up. What you say can't and won't change that.

 

[MunoRN, RN]

10 hours ago, Ashlee59 said:

I don't know if you guys realize or even comprehend the fact that state reviews documentation. The hospital or wherever she works get dinged for stuff like this. It's fine and dandy to you guys because it isn't your loved one she's documenting on. What if the bm was black which could be a sign of an occult bleed, what if the bm was watery showing signs of diarrhea leading to possible dehydration, what if the stool had an extremely foul odor and was loose indicating signs of c.diff?  Companies get dinged for stuff like this and patient's don't get the treatment they deserve due to poor documentation. 

There are no regulatory "dings" that result because someone said "poop".

Documentation should be clear, I don't think anybody finds the term poop be confusion.  "BM" on the other hand is actually less clear than "poop".

[Hoosier_RN, MSN]

23 hours ago, Ashlee59 said:

At the end of the day she still has the write up despite what you say. So ??‍♀️

I don't know if you guys realize or even comprehend the fact that state reviews documentation. The hospital or wherever she works get dinged for stuff like this. It's fine and dandy to you guys because it isn't your loved one she's documenting on. What if the bm was black which could be a sign of an occult bleed, what if the bm was watery showing signs of diarrhea leading to possible dehydration, what if the stool had an extremely foul odor and was loose indicating signs of c.diff?  Companies get dinged for stuff like this and patient's don't get the treatment they deserve due to poor documentation. Maybe you're in the wrong field.

I've been an auditor for my state. I've never dinged anyone for terminology in their documentation, so long as what they document is factual. One of my friends has been an auditor for 30+ years in another state, says the same thing. While "poop" isn't professional, it still denotes the event, and descriptors can still be added. Yes, the OP still got the write up, and yes the manager sounds like they have too much time on their hands. But no, I don't know of anyone who's been dinged for terminology

[toomuchbaloney]

13 hours ago, Ashlee59 said:

Every American nurse doesnt get that apparently based on your comments and her documentation.  It doesn't matter what you say. She still got the write up. What you say can't and won't change that.

 

The write up was inappropriate micromanagement establishing or maintaining a toxic culture.  Every nurse knows that documentation is reviewed.  Every nurse doesn't get exposed to bully managers who punish professionals for using words they don't approve of. 

Were you under some impression that any comment from this thread was going to impact the actual situation? On that level let me reply that your comment doesn't matter any more than mine or more than others that you might disagree with. You must have felt some need to make that comment...perhaps you feel frustrated.