Would You Accept Swine Flu Vaccine?

[pagandeva2000]

My facility had a town hall meeting and announced that this year, it will be mandatory for all direct care staff to get the flu shot, and that they expect the swine flu vaccine to be ready this year, around October, and that we would be mandated to take that as well to protect the patients we care for. I am not very comfortable being mandated to take anything...this would be a brand new vaccine. Why should I be the guinea pig? Thoughts?

[indigo girl]

My hospital is now requiring all employees in direct contact with patients who decline either the seasonal flu or new H1N1 vaccine to wear a mask while on the premises for the duration of the flu season, roughly 6-7 months. This is obviously more a tactic of intimidation than that rooted in science, as we at present are not required to wear these masks while we wait another month for the H1N1 vaccines to arrive all the while being within the window of the flu season. In addition, the CDC also refers to the wearing of an N95 mask as offering "imperfect" protection. http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/masks.htm And my union sits by silent, ignoring my emails and calls to them, even when made aware of the Washington State Nurses Union coming to the defense of its nurses' right to decline vaccination and not be forced to wear a mask.

I'm afraid these are dark times, when Big Pharm seems in control and immune from litigation from damages thanks to congressional protection. A time where as a health care professional, I have to risk my own health and that of my patients in the face of draconian mandates rooted in paranoia not science.

Well, that is rather foolish considering that the pandemic is occurring in the here and now. Who makes up these rules anyway? You have to wear the masks for the duration of the flu season? That could be rough. The pandemic could last much longer than a year especially as long as there are susceptible hosts to infect if there is not sufficient herd immunity, and you refuse vaccination.

There is no "perfect" protection but there are layered mitigation strategies that are designed to slow down the numbers of cases occurring at once. This helps to prevent surges to the healthcare system. As we all know, many hospitals have to go on divert during the winter flu season, and that is just with the regular seasonal flu. Now, in addition, we have to deal with the pandemic strain which is far more transmissible. How will we deal with both? Nobody knows yet. We are in the 2d wave, and it has not begun to peak yet.

Get to listen to the IOM hearings on mask efficacy last month? They concluded based on Dr. Raina McIntyre's study done in at 24 hospitals in Beijing with both doctors and nurses participating that the N95 was 75% efficacious in helping HCW to avoid ILI. Not perfect, but does anyone have a better solution other than staying home?

Here is my take on the "big Pharma" thing:

We can probably expect that many otherwise naturally occurring events will be claimed to be caused by the vaccines. This is sure to happen whether it is warranted or not. That's why the need for exemption from liability or no manufacturer would be willing to take this on. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is available if needed.

The issue of liability exemption is one thing but continuing in the vaccine manufacturing business would be impossible for some companies if many adverse events are being seen. There would be no further ongoing business for some of these companies.

Swine H1N1 is a new viral strain, but how the vaccine targeting the virus is being produced is not new. It's the same process that they use to make seasonal vax every year.

This vaccine is being produced in manufacturing plants by real people.They are real human beings that get sick, and they have kids just like us. They are part of the pharmaceutical industry just as we are part of the healthcare industry. They are not evil beings from another planet. Would it be so surprising that many of them are going to get vaccinated because they are human, and they are just as susceptible to this very transmissible virus as the rest of us? Demonizing an industry composed of real people makes no sense.

I do not get how you are risking the health of your patients other than by not getting vaccinated? Can you explain further?

[Scrub Monkey]

The pandemic could last much longer than a year especially as long as there are susceptible hosts to infect if there is not sufficient herd immunity, and you refuse vaccination.

Flu season is not a continuous occurrence as you suggest, with "flu season" regarded by the CDC to be winter months generally starting in October and concluding by May.

Now, in addition, we have to deal with the pandemic strain which is far more transmissible.

Your information is incorrect, the two are almost equal in their transmissibility. http://www.emaxhealth.com/1272/90/33181/transmission-h1n1-swine-flu-equals-seasonal-flu.html

Here is my take on the "big Pharma" thing:

We can probably expect that many otherwise naturally occurring events will be claimed to be caused by the vaccines. This is sure to happen whether it is warranted or not. That's why the need for exemption from liability or no manufacturer would be willing to take this on. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is available if needed.

I suppose then the same argument could then be applied to all pharmaceuticals and no drugs would then exist due to cause and effect litigation. But of course this isn't the case. Instead, we have known and acceptable versus deleterious side effects. Also, the The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program only compensates individuals who are affected by those vaccines listed on the the NVICP's "Vaccine Injury Table," on which the new H1N1 vaccine is not listed. http://www.hrsa.gov/Vaccinecompensation/table.htm

Swine H1N1 is a new viral strain, but how the vaccine targeting the virus is being produced is not new. It's the same process that they use to make seasonal vax every year.

Really? Then why are "mock viruses" being used to fast track the H1N1 vaccine to pass FDA approval as well as use of previously banned in the US adjuvants like Squalene which has been implicated in immune-response disorders.

http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/archive/2009/07/17/Squalene-The-Swine-Flu-Vaccines-Dirty-Little-Secret-Exposed.aspx

This vaccine is being produced in manufacturing plants by real people.They are real human beings that get sick, and they have kids just like us. They are part of the pharmaceutical industry just as we are part of the healthcare industry. They are not evil beings from another planet. Would it be so surprising that many of them are going to get vaccinated because they are human, and they are just as susceptible to this very transmissible virus as the rest of us? Demonizing an industry composed of real people makes no sense.

Sorry, even Bernie Madoff loves his kids but that didn't stop him from screwing others. Although I in no way mean to vilify an entire industry, greed has a way of compromising the ethics of some, even if it is to the detriment of others. Please refer to the following, posted here as but one relevant example: https://allnurses.com/health-medicine-news/drug-firms-behaving-371848.html

I do not get how you are risking the health of your patients other than by not getting vaccinated? Can you explain further?

If as part of my job as an RN I am required to administer the new H1N1 vaccine, then it is my belief that I am risking the health of my patients given the current information out there and lack thereof regarding the safety and justification for this rush to vaccinate.

And what pandemic? Although fatalities have been associated with this virus, the vast majority of experiences have been mild with short duration hospital stays by the majority of those having been admitted. As for statistics, as reported by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for the US population up to 10/04/09 show 43,771 confirmed H1N1 cases of infection and a total of 302 deaths. This is equal to less than a 0.7% fatality rate among all confirmed cases. Seasonal flu by contrast results in the deaths of approximately 36,000 persons in the US alone each year. http://www.cdc.gov/H1n1flu/surveillanceqa.htm

But as for the safety of this vaccine, why not listen to what a board certified Neurosurgeon, Dr. William Blaylock has to say about it. http://connectivetissue.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/inconvenient-truths-about-swine-flu/

As for his credentials: http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

[hypocaffeinemia, BSN, RN]

As for his credentials: http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

The guy's banner at the top of the site says: "CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT MY BRAIN REPAIR FORMULA".

His credentials are a laundry list of naturalistic fallacy advocacy mixed with a strong dose of libertarian paranoia.

The fact he has his own website devoted to him is just icing.

The fact he has a medical doctorate makes his particular brand of idiosyncrasies mildly pathological.

The fact you cite a clearly biased neurosurgeon to answer questions of immunology and virology is an appeal to authority fallacy.

Next.

[indigo girl]

You misunderstand. I am well aware that flu season is not continuous. I was referring to the pandemic which could last quite a bit longer.

Flu season is not a continuous occurrence as you suggest, with "flu season" regarded by the CDC to be winter months generally starting in October and concluding by May.

I disagree about transmissibility.

Your information is incorrect, the two are almost equal in their transmissibility. http://www.emaxhealth.com/1272/90/33181/transmission-h1n1-swine-flu-equals-seasonal-flu.html

http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/SwineFlu/14154

This is more correct.

Three different epidemiological analyses were used to estimate the virus's basic reproduction number: the number of secondary cases that would be generated by each infected individual in a completely susceptible population.

The average basic reproduction number for seasonal flu is 1.3, according to a perspective written by Mark Miller, M.D., of the NIH in Bethesda, Md., and colleagues last week in the New England Journal of Medicine.

the estimates ranged from 1.4 to 1.6.."Transmissibility is therefore substantially higher than seasonal flu," the WHO scientists said ...

You might actually have me on this one at least temporarily. Though I strongly suspect that govt will have to assume responsibility but I do not have proof of it. It's a worthy item of reasearch, and I will be looking into it further. As for known and acceptable effects, we don't know yet.

I suppose then the same argument could then be applied to all pharmaceuticals and no drugs would then exist due to cause and effect litigation. But of course this isn't the case. Instead, we have known and acceptable versus deleterious side effects. Also, the The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program only compensates individuals who are affected by those vaccines listed on the the NVICP's "Vaccine Injury Table," on which the new H1N1 vaccine is not listed. http://www.hrsa.gov/Vaccinecompensation/table.htm

Come on Scrub Monkey! Squalene is not being used. It is not even licensed for use in the US. No adjuvants are.

Really? Then why are "mock viruses" being used to fast track the H1N1 vaccine to pass FDA approval as well as use of previously banned in the US adjuvants like Squalene which has been implicated in immune-response disorders.

http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/archive/2009/07/17/Squalene-The-Swine-Flu-Vaccines-Dirty-Little-Secret-Exposed.aspx

I happen to have met Dr. Meryl Naz up in Maine, btw. I took care of one of her patients. This is from your own link:

Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant.None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.

We are talking about human beings that get sick just like us, and they have kids too so I am not buying that argument. Maligning all of those people working on the vaccine does not make sense to me. They are to be congratulated.

Sorry, even Bernie Madoff loves his kids but that didn't stop him from screwing others. Although I in no way mean to vilify an entire industry, greed has a way of compromising the ethics of some, even if it is to the detriment of others. Please refer to the following, posted here as but one relevant example: https://allnurses.com/health-medicine-news/drug-firms-behaving-371848.html

I was wondering what you were talking about. Well, then I guess you won't be vaccinating anyone, will you?

If as part of my job as an RN I am required to administer the new H1N1 vaccine, then it is my belief that I am risking the health of my patients given the current information out there and lack thereof regarding the safety and justification for this rush to vaccinate.

That's interesting! I did not realize that you did not believe that there is a pandemic going on.

No pregnant women and perfectly healthy young adults and kids dying? I must be hallucinating these deaths.

And what pandemic? Although fatalities have been associated with this virus, the vast majority of experiences have been mild with short duration hospital stays by the majority of those having been admitted. As for statistics, as reported by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for the US population up to 10/04/09 show 43,771 confirmed H1N1 cases of infection and a total of 302 deaths. This is equal to less than a 0.7% fatality rate among all confirmed cases. Seasonal flu by contrast results in the deaths of approximately 36,000 persons in the US alone each year. http://www.cdc.gov/H1n1flu/surveillanceqa.htm

Listen to Blaylock? He is well known to me. Do I agree with him about this vaccine. No, I don't. And, that link he appears on is kind of out there, Scrub Monkey...

But as for the safety of this vaccine, why not listen to what a board certified Neurosurgeon, Dr. William Blaylock has to say about it. http://connectivetissue.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/inconvenient-truths-about-swine-flu/

As for his credentials: http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

Scrub Monkey, what I am getting from this discussion is that you and I have vastly different belief systems. Nothing wrong with that. We see the world very differently, and I am not able to accept your sources as credible. I guess I have to agree to disagree with you about most of this.

[Scrub Monkey]

I disagree about transmissibility.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/SwineFlu/14154

This is more correct.

How is this more correct??? Your reference dates back to an article that was posted last May, and based on estimations of the spread of the virus at that time. And I quote directly from your reference: "The team made their estimates on the basis of information from an outbreak in a small Mexican community, early data on the international spread of the virus, and genetic sequencing data. "While these estimates are informative, it should be emphasized that some uncertainties remain regarding the denominator population," they said. "Household data would be particularly useful in reducing remaining uncertainty. Using epidemiological data collected since the beginning of the outbreak, the researchers estimated that 23,000 individuals (range 6,000 to 32,000) had been infected with the H1N1 virus in Mexico by the end of April"

My statement is furthermore referenced in the following NIH sponsored article dated Aug. 28 and includes the following quote,"Dr. Peter Gross, chief medical officer at Hackensack University Medical Center in New Jersey, sees no reason for mass panic. "They've proven that the transmissibility is comparable to the seasonal flu and less than the horrendous 1918 pandemic," he said. Stating furthermore that, "the mortality is no worse than the seasonal flu and, if anything, might be slightly less." http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_88726.html

Come on Scrub Monkey! Squalene is not being used. It is not even licensed for use in the US. No adjuvants are.

Wow, perhaps you need to re-read the material that you're referencing, as it certainly isn't helping to make your point. According to your own stated, "credible source," you cited in another forum post, the REPORT TO THE PRESIDENT ON U. S . PREPARATIONS FOR 2009 -H1N1 INFLUENZA http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/PCAST_H1N1_Report.pdf on p. 56 states,"The Working Group encourages DHHS to develop quantitative criteria (vaccine efficacy, severity of epidemic) that would trigger a decision to use adjuvants and to ensure that sufficient data are available for the FDA to grant an EUA." And, also on p. 60, "In addition to improving vaccine design and technology for vaccine production, efforts need to be undertaken to assess and license adjuvants that are compatible with influenza vaccines. Adjuvants can greatly increase the potency of vaccines and thereby extend the number of people who can be vaccinated with a given supply."

And lastly, on p. 34: "In addition, it may be possible to augment the effectiveness of influenza vaccines through the use of adjuvants, substances that stimulate the immune response to viral proteins. Use of adjuvants with influenza vaccines has not yet been approved by the FDA, but is permitted in Europe. Depending on the outcome of clinicaltests, adjuvants could be added to 2009-H1N1 vaccines under the terms of an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) from the FDA.

And that has already begun: "The FDA announced that it issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) that allows a 2009 H1N1 influenza virus test to be used to detect the virus in troops serving overseas. The EUA “allows the U.S. Department of Defense to distribute the H1N1 test to its qualified laboratories that have the required equipment and trained personnel to perform the test and interpret its results. An EUA authorizes the use of unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products during a declared public health emergency.” FDA Commissioner of Food and Drugs Margaret A. Hamburg, M.D. commented, “The FDA worked quickly with the Defense Department to authorize the use of this test to better protect our troops. The test will aid in more rapid diagnosis of 2009 H1N1 influenza infections so that deployed troops can quickly begin appropriate medical treatment.” http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm180153.htm

Furthermore, "The European Medicines Agency report on GlaxoSmithKline's new swine flu vaccine called "Pandemrix" says on pg. 17 that it contains 10.69 milligrams of squalene. http://www.without-consent.com/media/EMEASqualeneDose.pdf

What more proof do you need????

We are talking about human beings that get sick just like us, and they have kids too so I am not buying that argument. Maligning all of those people working on the vaccine does not make sense to me. They are to be congratulated.

I know, the world is full of nothing but honest, hard working people, devoid of the influence of greed and dishonesty who have the best intentions of the masses in their hearts...c'mon, wake up, what world are you living in? Do I really need to cite yet more examples of corporate greed, one after another (although I already gave you one link to known maleficence on the part of some of the same companies developing the current vaccines).

I was wondering what you were talking about. Well, then I guess you won't be vaccinating anyone, will you?

Certainly not with this vaccine.

That's interesting! I did not realize that you did not believe that there is a pandemic going on. No pregnant women and perfectly healthy young adults and kids dying? I must be hallucinating these deaths.

Why need I repeat myself, "as reported by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for the US population up to 10/04/09 show 43,771 confirmed H1N1 cases of infection and a total of 302 deaths. This is equal to less than a 0.7% fatality rate among all confirmed cases. Seasonal flu by contrast results in the deaths of approximately 36,000 persons in the US alone each year." While novel influenza A (H1N1) may fit some of the definition of "pandemic" it certainly has not resulted in the fatalities that are associated with this term. http://www.flu.gov/season_or_pandemic.html

Scrub Monkey, what I am getting from this discussion is that you and I have vastly different belief systems. Nothing wrong with that. We see the world very differently, and I am not able to accept your sources as credible. I guess I have to agree to disagree with you about most of this.

Agreed. And btw, please know that I'd be very pleased if, and do hope everything that I suspect is wrong turns out to be nothing, for the sake of us all.

[HonestRN]

Really don't want to enter this whole discussion but I feel I have to correct this

Flu season is not a continuous occurrence as you suggest, with "flu season" regarded by the CDC to be winter months generally starting in October and concluding by May.

In general that is correct except in the case of H1N1. It never really went away during the summer. That is one of the reasons it is of concern to WHO and the CDC. Additionally it is targeting a different demographic than traditional influenza i.e. it is hardest on the 5-24 year old age group. A group that generally doesn't suffer the bad outcomes that H1N1 is causing.

[indigo girl]

Use of adjuvants with influenza vaccines has not yet been approved by the FDA, but is permitted in Europe. Depending on the outcome of clinical tests, adjuvants could be added to 2009-H1N1 vaccines under the terms of an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) from the FDA.

There is a big difference between saying that they could approve adjuvants, and saying that they are actually doing so. They are speaking of possible future use, not present use. It is certainly no secret that the US purchased adjuvants for emergency use for our national stockpile. But, having them available does not translate into using them without telling anybody, and without the EUA. If they have to use them, they will say so. No conspiracy will be necessary.

Likewise, it is no secret that Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline have been using adjuvants in Europe for some time, but never for the US market. Dr. Nass said as much. But, you seem to be saying that the vaccine manufacturers are doing this secretly. Obviously, Mercola and company think so, and that is part of why I have a problem with those sources. There is some very, very strange "information" on those sites.

http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/archive/2009/07/17/Squalene-The-Swine-Flu-Vaccines-Dirty-Little-Secret-Exposed.aspx

Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.

What more proof do I need, Scrub Monkey? Well, for one thing it would certainly help if I could see that the EUA was actually being used to administer a vaccine, and not a flu test.

"The FDA announced that it issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) that allows a 2009 H1N1 influenza virus test to be used to detect the virus in troops serving overseas. The EUA “allows the U.S. Department of Defense to distribute the H1N1 test to its qualified laboratories that have the required equipment and trained personnel to perform the test and interpret its results.

It seems very clear, at least to me, that they are talking about a diagnostic test here. Are you perhaps suggesting that this is a slippery slope, and that a test for flu will then lead to the use of adjuvants?

As a dear friend of mine says, "If you really believe the govt is going to try to sneak squalene or adjuvants into the vax, where's the payoff? How does pulling off a boneheaded, illegal, and immoral stunt like that benefit the govt?

Absolutely nothing to be gained by such an idiotic move, and everything to lose. The Dems would have to wait a hundred years before they dared running for President again if they tried that. LOL. You can test for antibodies to Squalene BTW, a smoking gun for some smart lawyer, I'm sure if the government was stupid enough to try it."

Seasonal flu's RO is 1.3. But I do agree that swine flu's contagiousness has much to do with a naive host being exposed to a novel virus. It is true that my figures were from early in the pandemic, but they might also have something to do with different strains of swine flu appearing in different populations. From your link:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_88726.html

"Even if flu has a reproduction only a little bit above 1 [in this case 1.5], it has its effect because, in a susceptible population, it can start jumping from person to person within one to two days," said study co-author

Dr. Nathaniel Hupert, co-director of Cornell University and Weill Cornell Medical College's joint Institute for Disease and Disaster Preparedness. He is also director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Preparedness Modeling Unit.

In summary, it becomes more clear that we have vastly different belief systems. You don't even believe that a pandemic is occurring. But you do seem to think that there is a conspiracy to use an unauthorized substance in the swine flu vaccine.

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[Scrub Monkey]

In general that is correct except in the case of H1N1. It never really went away during the summer. That is one of the reasons it is of concern to WHO and the CDC.

Is this simply your opinion, or would you care to cite references that support your claim by disclosing month-month reporting of Novel A influenza (H1N1) versus non-Novel A influenza.

Additionally it is targeting a different demographic than traditional influenza i.e. it is hardest on the 5-24 year old age group. A group that generally doesn't suffer the bad outcomes that H1N1 is causing.

True, with this occurrence being suspected because "...epidemiological data supports laboratory serology studies that indicate that older people may have pre-existing immunity to the novel H1N1 flu virus. http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/surveillanceqa.htm

And for anyone wishing to comment, please cite sources, as unless you are a researcher presenting facts, opinions make weak arguments...

[lamazeteacher]

my hospital is now requiring all employees in direct contact with patients who decline either the seasonal flu or new h1n1 vaccine to wear a mask while on the premises for the duration of the flu season, roughly 6-7 months. this is obviously more a tactic of intimidation

actually it seems to me that they're more likely trying to wear down resistance to having the vaccine.....

than that rooted in science, as we at present are not required to wear these masks while we wait another month for the h1n1 vaccines to arrive all the while being within the window of the flu season. in addition,

the vaccine for h1n1 (which has no specific season) is here this week; and seasonal flu vaccine has been available for 2 weeks

the cdc also refers to the wearing of an n95 mask as offering "imperfect" protection. http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/masks.htm and my union sits by silent, ignoring my emails and calls to them, even when made aware of the washington state nurses union coming to the defense of its nurses' right to decline vaccination and not be forced to wear a mask.

it isn't the mask itself that's "imperfect", but the recommendation for using it, that's imperfect. it's been scientific fact that moisture from the exhalations of someone wearing a mask, cause transmission of "bugs" which more easily pass through liquid. that's why the practise/ritual of wearing a flimsy o.r. type mask throughout a long surgery is such a falicy.

"be forced" to wear a mask is probably not going to fly. it's more likely that the cost of making health care workers wear n95 masks, with frequent changes of same, would be prohibitive.

i've never known the san francisco (where i worked as one of the first ic nurses) unions to ignore a challenge. they're more likely waiting to see what happens in washington (both state and dc), before taking a stand.

i'm afraid these are dark times, when big pharm seems in control and immune from litigation from damages thanks to congressional protection. a time where as a health care professional, i have to risk my own health and that of my patients in the face of draconian mandates rooted in paranoia not science.

it's not big pharm in control, but hospital administrators exercising their authority; and no one is immune from litigation (it's just that the average person is too poor to pay for lawyers for it - hence unions). congress certainly doesn't want to alienate voters in favor of big business, these days.

your "risk my own life" argument, if what you meant was that having the vaccine puts you at risk of losing your life, is erroneous. that simply is untrue! there is lots of scientific proof that having the h1n1 flu or being immunised against it, preserves life, because there is immunity thereof from that!

how your patients would suffer because you took the vaccination is a ridiculous argument. it's certainly most likely that without immunity, you'd transmit the infection to them in their weakened state of illness, days before any symptoms surfaced when you became ill with it! stop competing with administrators to exercise your power.

:argue:you'll lose that one, in that you're likely to lose your job by passing on untruths .

[HonestRN]

Is this simply your opinion, or would you care to cite references that support your claim by disclosing month-month reporting of Novel A influenza (H1N1) versus non-Novel A influenza.

True, with this occurrence being suspected because "...epidemiological data supports laboratory serology studies that indicate that older people may have pre-existing immunity to the novel H1N1 flu virus. http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/surveillanceqa.htm

And for anyone wishing to comment, please cite sources, as unless you are a researcher presenting facts, opinions make weak arguments...

Here are a couple of links to H1N1 maps

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/147716.php

http://cdc.gov/h1n1flu/updates/us/

Rather presumptuous to assume that I was presenting an opinion. Do you not read or listen to the news? Or do you believe the news is controlled by the govt who is trying to promote some secret agenda?

[HonestRN]

Is this simply your opinion, or would you care to cite references that support your claim by disclosing month-month reporting of Novel A influenza (H1N1) versus non-Novel A influenza

For weekly reports you can reference this page at the CDC

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivity.htm

[Scrub Monkey]

Here are a couple of links to H1N1 maps

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/147716.php

http://cdc.gov/h1n1flu/updates/us/

Rather presumptuous to assume that I was presenting an opinion. Do you not read or listen to the news? Or do you believe the news is controlled by the govt who is trying to promote some secret agenda?

Rather presumptious of you really. You previously made a comment without providing a reference, by omission, I had to assume this was simply a statement of your opinion. Thank you for the links.