Witchcraft Resurgence

klone, MSN, RN · Jan 23, 2020

2 minutes ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:
Cool so in that case med school would be the right route.

Definitely. Here you go, run along now....

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HelpfulNatureHopeful · Jan 23, 2020

When it comes to what career I want to spend the rest of my life doing, it is what I like.

And yes treating all patients equally is part of the job. I don’t know why you think I wouldn’t treat them all the same.

4 minutes ago, klone said:
Definitely. Here you go, run along now....
https://forums.studentdoctor.net

Cool thanks!

Horseshoe, BSN, RN · Jan 23, 2020

1 hour ago, WhaleTails said:
I think that's what's missing here -- it's not about what YOU like. It's about the patient. YOUR patient, whether it's a 27 year old kid with endocarditis from heroin abuse, the 80 year old grandma, the incarcerated guy from the local prison admitted for inpatient surgery, or the *** President of the United States. You treat them equally.

Disagree. No one should go into a career they don't like if they can possibly help it.

Horseshoe, BSN, RN · Jan 23, 2020

On 1/21/2020 at 5:07 PM, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:
I have a lot of admiration for him, admittedly when I graduated high school I didn’t understand why he didn’t buy me my first car, and help pay my way but now I get it. I see women that are nearly 30 that can’t take care of themselves, it’s pathetic. They NEED a man. He was hard on me my entire life, but he is always there to listen and give advice. As you get older you start to understand. Giving a person a fish vs teaching a person to fish. I don’t usually change my oil either but the point is I could if I had to. Or maybe a better point- change a tire. Most women (and even men) these days couldn’t change a tire if they had to.

My daddy made sure I’ll never have to rely on any man. I can do it all, all by myself. You may think expecting people to do things themselves is cold, but my dad spent much more time teaching me than I saw my friends parents do. He gave me homework and book reports outside of school because he said I could do more than they expected of me, and he was right. I’m glad he always pushed me.

It's possible to do for your kids while they are maturing AND have them turn out to be quite independent. Nothing wrong with your Dad's parenting in this regard, but it's not the only way to do things.

We sent my D to private schools (very rigorous academically, so she had to work very hard there) through high school graduation. She didn't have to get a job while in school (though she did for several summers because she just wanted to). We bought her a car when she turned 16. We paid every cent of her college education because we didn't want to take any chance that she wouldn't finish college. We paid for her law school/MBA program and pretty much everything else she needed (apartment rent, monthly allowance) because we could afford it and wanted her to graduate debt-free (if we couldn't afford it we wouldn't have paid and would have felt no guilt about it, but we could). We didn't ever charge her rent while she lived in our home.

She's been "handed" all these things, but she worked her butt off in college and law school/MBA school so that she could find a career that will make her financially independent from any romantic partner. She has accepted a job that will pay her almost 200K annually when you include perks/benefits. I know that her work ethic is strong (she wants to make partner some day), she will be bringing in double what her fiance makes (though with his engineering degree he has a good job as well), and she has been saving $$$ for retirement ever since she started making money in her part time/summer jobs. She also happens to be a kind, funny, and appreciative human being. She is respectful of others and doesn't think any of her good fortune or achievements makes her better than anyone else. She knows how lucky she is to have received the help we gave her. Don't get me wrong-she's far from perfect. She's a total slob. How two neat freaks didn't do better in that regard is beyond me.

She will never have to depend on a man to take care of her unless she gets a flat tire. She knows in theory how to change it, but she's a little thing and probably couldn't physically manage it. I can live with that. She can buy herself a AAA membership when she starts working. ?

Her upbringing couldn't have been more different than yours, but she will never be financially dependent on others. Just goes to show that there is no one BEST way to parent a child.

I will admit that we are thrilled to be done supporting kids though. ?

Tacocat, ASN, RN · Jan 24, 2020

18 hours ago, Horseshoe said:
Disagree. No one should go into a career they don't like if they can possibly help it.

Fair enough. The point I was ineloquently trying to make was one shouldn't go into a field for the prestige. Find a job that pays well, sure -- but don't pick your career under the assumption that people are going to kiss the ground you walk on.

K. Everly, BSN, RN · Jan 24, 2020

On 1/16/2020 at 12:09 AM, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:
It just all sounds like the same thing, like mentioned before, prayer, meditation, spells etc. Just different words for sitting and reflecting. Makes sense to me now.

No. First of all, what you are saying is not even true. It's really off putting that you are willing to reduce something some integral and sacred to many people into a neat little (incorrect) box, just so that you feel you can understand it. You don't *need* to understand it, especially if you want to be reductionist and thus diminishing about these cherished practices.

As a torah observant messianic christian, I can tell you unequivocally that prayer for me is not "just a different word for sitting and reflecting." NOT. AT. ALL.

TriciaJ, RN · Jan 25, 2020

On 1/23/2020 at 10:17 AM, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:
So are astronauts just other people? How about researchers? Is a top chef like Gordon Ramsey and a waiter or waitress equivalent positions?

If all jobs are equal then why would anyone strive for greatness?

All jobs are not equal in terms of pay, benefits, responsibility, prestige, educational requirements. All people performing necessary labour in whatever endeavour deserve the same basic respect.

If your father had to operate in a filthy environment, his infection rates would go through the roof and his surgical track record wouldn't be so stellar. So just because the housekeepers don't have the education or get the big bucks, doesn't mean he isn't heavily dependent on them.

There is never an excuse to look down on someone because their job is less prestigious.

So yes, astronauts are just other people. Gordon wouldn't have much time for creativity if he had to serve the food, wash the dishes and mop the floors. And if you think those jobs aren't important, watch his meltdown when he encounters a poorly-cleaned kitchen.

TriciaJ, RN · Jan 25, 2020

On 1/23/2020 at 10:25 AM, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:
And I understand that. But some jobs are more replaceable than others. It’s much harder to find a Neil Degrasse Tyson than a janitor. Even if janitors are a basic necessity, it doesn’t require the dedication and drive to be a janitor that it does to be a physicist. It doesn’t mean being a janitor makes you a bad person, or unworthy of anything, but janitors seldom make the history books.
We’re all trying to achieve self actualization.

A lot of people make the history books for reasons many of us choose not to emulate. I wouldn't be so quick to call a janitor replaceable. I've worked a lot of places with crappy cleaning people. Good ones don't necessarily grow on trees any more than good surgeons. To be a good janitor requires one to be conscientious and to take pride in his work. Just like a good physicist.

Not everyone strives for self-actualization by choosing a specific type of paid labour. You don't know what that janitor does on his own time.

LittleOldLadyWho, ADN, BSN, LPN, RN · Jan 26, 2020

On 1/14/2020 at 1:15 PM, WhaleTails said:
Yikes. Now I hope this is a troll because you just announced to a whole forum of people that you weren't raised to be respectful.
Religion is a cultural and ethnic thing. Don't be discriminatory.

Obviously the OP is a troll. If not a troll, a seriously stunted or very young "prenursing student".. Her "surgeon daddy" should take away her internet access.

RNat55, ADN, RN · Jan 26, 2020

The word "witchcraft" in the title caught my attention. I was like witchcraft in America?! ?

Reading the OP, I guess you view complementary therapies as witchcraft? Interesting!

As others have stated these have been around for ages. They do have their uses and I have a very practical example with my middle daughter who is now married in the U.S.

When she was about a year old (we were still living in Nigeria, West Africa and I was an attorney then), she developed continuous high body temperature. When we took her to the hospital, blood work was done, and we were told she had an infection in the blood. We were given antibiotics but the temperature never subsided for weeks. We gave up hope and were just waiting for her to die. Fortunately, some relations from a rural community came to visit my mum, who complained about her granddaughter's condition. One of the women asked for my daughter and I brought her. She took her and laid her in the prone position and ran her fingers across her spine and said she knew what was the problem and she would send some herbs and roots when she got home.

Early the next morning a bunch of herbs, roots, seeds, etc arrived with a small bottle of palm kernel oil. Instructions were to boil all the herbs, roots, etc, then take out some, cool it, give a scoop to drink and bath the child. After the bath, we were to dip a finger in the oil and put a drop in her mouth and another on her fontanel.

I kid you not, immediately we did this the very first time, her temperature dropped and was normal! It was unbelievable!! Our daughter was brought back to life! From that day till date, the temperature never returned!

So, I beg to disagree about the witchcraft part.

HelpfulNatureHopeful · Jan 26, 2020

Well if this therapy was that effective we definitely need to do some scientific research and start implementing it.

2 hours ago, BombiRose said:
Obviously the OP is a troll. If not a troll, a seriously stunted or very young "prenursing student".. Her "surgeon daddy" should take away her internet access.

No, I was just raised to believe in science. I was taught growing up that religion was for the clinically insane. My dad always said “if someone has to be threatened with hell to do the right thing, they are clearly a psychopath”

So do people that pray LITERALLY hear voices? Or do they “feel” something telling them to do the right thing? I mean I have that feeling but I thought that was a conscience?

I just don’t understand.

klone, MSN, RN · Jan 26, 2020

49 minutes ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:
So do people that pray LITERALLY hear voices? Or do they “feel” something telling them to do the right thing? I mean I have that feeling but I thought that was a conscience?
I just don’t understand.

You don't need to. People don't need to explain their spiritual beliefs for your edification and idle curiosity.