Will a vaccine actually solve the problem?

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JVBT, ASN

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Specializes in clinic nurse.
1 hour ago, Hoosier_RN said:

Why get a vaccine if we're still going to do what we're already doing?

Because we do not yet know if this is a sterilizing vaccine. IOW, we don't know the answer yet to the question: does it protect against infection or disease? If it protects against disease, from what I understand, then even people who've been vaccinated can spread it.

Hoosier_RN, MSN

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Specializes in Dialysis.
2 minutes ago, JVBT said:

Because we do not yet know if this is a sterilizing vaccine. IOW, we don't know the answer yet to the question: does it protect against infection or disease? If it protects against disease, from what I understand, then even people who've been vaccinated can spread it.

Then we're pretty much in the same boat we were before. I'm not gonna get too excited about a vaccine at this time

JVBT, ASN

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Specializes in clinic nurse.
2 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:

Then we're pretty much in the same boat we were before. I'm not gonna get too excited about a vaccine at this time

I disagree. One, we don't know. Two, even if it is "just" against disease, it will give people immunity to it! What's not to like about that? Sure, we still have to wear masks. My hunch is, that even if we thought we knew this was truly a sterilizing vaccine, the advice would be to wear a mask anyway.

SansNom

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1 hour ago, Hoosier_RN said:

Why get a vaccine if we're still going to do what we're already doing?

I think a significant portion of what we're having to do at all is to make up for that percentage of people who aren't taking this seriously and doing their part. The amount of misinformation and just flat out BS regarding this pandemic is astounding, and a huge number of people are buying into it. All of this could have been mitigated to a much larger degree if we weren't constantly having to fight arrogant ignorance and go through extra steps to make up for their lack of responsibility.

Hoosier_RN, MSN

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Specializes in Dialysis.

At this point, if I will still have to wear a mask, and social distance, then no added chemical in my body. Call me ignorant or whatever,  but the logic isn't there for me

Guest856929

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I am usually pro vaccines, but I am inherently a skeptic and I will sit this vaccine out and watch the data come in. The antivaxxers against valid and reliable vaccines for polio, mumps, measles et al irk me, but this COVID vaccine needs to be substantiated beyond clinical trials for me. 

toomuchbaloney

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

Am effective vaccine that is widely distributed will most definitely change our American experience with covid. That change won't be rapid, really...for instance, it's unlikely that a retired RN in rural Alaska will have access to a vaccine before this time next year.  

The change will help us to live with covid the way we live with things like influenza or measles.  In a few years yearly covid hospitalization and death counts will become our normal.  My grandson will grow up in a world where covid is a killer...I didn't grow up in that world, covid just gave you a bad cold in my world. 

turtlesRcool

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On 11/20/2020 at 11:50 AM, Hoosier_RN said:

At this point, if I will still have to wear a mask, and social distance, then no added chemical in my body. Call me ignorant or whatever,  but the logic isn't there for me

I don't think you're ignorant, but I think you might be discounting the peace of mind that comes from not worrying about contracting the disease.  I personally have no problem wearing a mask to protect others from infection (since I could be an asymptomatic carrier and not know it), but I find it stressful to think that I am counting on others to wear masks properly to protect me.  

If I don't have to be dependent on others (some of whom are weary, some of whom are ignorant, and some of whom are jerk faces), then that gives me a lot more freedom to go about my life without worry.  I don't have to be navigate the awkwardness of how to deal with the person behind me in the grocery store line who doesn't give me 6ft.  I don't have to do mental gymnastics to decide if I step out of line and wait for the next cashier or go with the flow and be checked out by the one with her mask down to her chin.

Part of what is wearying about all the "rules" is being hyperaware of what others are doing, and making thousands of little calculations to keep myself safe.  Cumulatively, it's exhausting.  If the only thing I have to worry about is keeping my germs to myself, that's a game changer for me.  

Hoosier_RN, MSN

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Specializes in Dialysis.
4 minutes ago, turtlesRcool said:

I don't think you're ignorant, but I think you might be discounting the peace of mind that comes from not worrying about contracting the disease. 

The rumors that I hear are that we will continue to mask and social distance indefinitely, even with the vaccine. Again, I do that now, so why add chemicals? I'll get the vaccine once I see something more concrete, instead of unknowns that are being rushed through. 

For shopping,  I do online and either pickup or delivery. Lysol or wash everything. Plan to continue that service after the pandemic is over, as it's so much easier than fighting crowds and store employees that may or may not wear a mask, correctly or incorrectly,, and they may have who knows what...don't get me started on hand washing...

JVBT, ASN

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Specializes in clinic nurse.
1 hour ago, turtlesRcool said:

I personally have no problem wearing a mask to protect others from infection, but I find it stressful to think that I am counting on others to wear masks properly to protect me.  

The pandemic in one sentence.

On 11/25/2020 at 9:18 AM, Hoosier_RN said:

The rumors that I hear are that we will continue to mask and social distance indefinitely, even with the vaccine. Again, I do that now, so why add chemicals? I'll get the vaccine once I see something more concrete, instead of unknowns that are being rushed through. 

For shopping,  I do online and either pickup or delivery. Lysol or wash everything. Plan to continue that service after the pandemic is over, as it's so much easier than fighting crowds and store employees that may or may not wear a mask, correctly or incorrectly,, and they may have who knows what...don't get me started on hand washing...

My work (I work at the corporate office of one of the largest HH providers in the US) said whether we have vaccine or not, we will be masking and social distancing with no work gatherings, for all of 2021.

toomuchbaloney

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

We'll never control this contagion without vaccines.  How much the vaccines change the other mitigation strategies of masking and distancing will be determined as we learn things like whether immunized persons can transmit virus to others or how long vaccine and natural immunity persists, right?

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