Why is this PC bullcrap prioritized above people's lives?

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I work in a school that trains CNAs. We have an equal-opportunity policy. Whether you have a PhD or whether you didn't finish middle school, everyone takes a simple math and reading comprehension test. It's my job to give the test and explain it.

One day, a Chinese lady who spoke very little English and her helicopter daughter came in. I gave the lady the test and explained it slowly and carefully. I kept asking her if she understood, and at the end I told her that she could tell me if she had any problems. She nodded yes every time, and I made sure that she understood it. She didn't pass the test. IN fact, despite my explaining of the written instructions, she answered the questions in the wrong way. She took it again, and once again didn't pass. I had to break the news that she had not passed, and started to suggest buying a TOEFL guide or something to help her with her English.

The helicopter daughter told me that I was rude to her mother. She said that I should have helped her out with the test, and that a future nurse like me should be compassionate. I started to tell her that communication is key in the healthcare field, that a small delay could mean life or death, and that my compassion lies with the patients who will be cared for by the healthcare staff who we train. The daughter told me that I was racist, and that we should give her mother a chance because, "Well, she's going to try a lot harder because she doesn't speak as much English, so she's going to make a lot more effort." Why the hell does that remind me of schoolchildrens' parents whining, "Little Johnny is really a genius, you just have to go at his pace. He gets bored in class, and it's your responsibility to make it fun for him to learn." She was also mad that I didn't explain the test in Chinese (I speak a bit of Mandarin) even though the test and class are taught in English. I am all for helping, but it would be called cheating if I helped her out with the test problem by problem.

Her daughter went to another person and complained about me. Her mother took the test again, this time someone sat beside her and basically took the test for her! Not only was she allowed to enroll, but her daughter was allowed to enroll alongside her to translate. WHAT!? When she gets a job, is she going to have a translator alongside her to help her with her job? I hope that this woman does not pass the state boards, although she probably will because I know that she'll pull the, "I deserve special treatment," card.

Note: I AM NOT RACIST OR CULTURALLY INTOLERANT. If you are a qualified person who can effectively be a good member of the healthcare team, then I don't care if you're from Mars. However, if you don' have the qualification, can't communicate with others, and passed on being babied along rather than actual work, then forget it. Please don't accuse me of being racist. In fact, I've been in this woman's shoes. A few years ago, I studied abroad in China for a semester, and actually considered staying there. In order to enter the university, I had to pass the international student entrance exam. My Mandarin was nowhere nearly good enough so I did not pass. I could have whined that they should have helped me out, that the test was unfair, that I could do really well if given a chance, etc. However, I sucked it up and took personal responsibility because it was my own durn fault that I wasn't qualified. In the healthcare field, an unqualified person could mean life or death. Ever read The Godfather? While Micheal Corleone was in Italy, he was hosted by a doctor. The doc admitted that he didn't understand his medical textbooks, but the mob made sure that he became a doctor anyway. That's basically what this woman will be.

I later spoke to the school administrator about this and she said, "I don't like it either, but I'm trying to run a business. If rumors get spread that I'm culturally intolerant or un-PC, I'm going to lose a ton of potential students." I understand that. Half the office staff is foreign, and a lot of them were mad as well, because they came over here and had to work their butts off.

I have such a newfound appreciation for the fact that they weed out a good percentage of nursing students.

When we all contact our congressmen/women and let them know what is happening, maybe someday ENGLISH will be the predominant language to be spoken in the United States of America!

Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.
Just confused by the OP-you said it was a CNA school, then you mention her passing her state boards...? I could quite possibly be missing something. :)

It is a state exam in which a person independent of the school tests the students in both clinical and classroom skills.

Thanks, that clears it up. I think I used to have a "helicopter boss.":idea:

I have a helicopter wife! :lol2: :madface: :uhoh21:

Not defending the situation but there are communities that have their own pseudo health care system outside of the hospitals. Some people in the Asian community in Portland never go to the hospital (or be transported by EMS) they go to such caregivers. It could be she never plans on taking care of English speaking patients.

Just a thought.

Peace,

Marty

I cannot BELIEVE that a school is allowing that.

Well, let her go through school...she won't get an interpreter for clinicals and she won't get an interpreter for the NCLEX.

She won the battle, but she'll lose the war.

Specializes in ED, ICU, PSYCH, PP, CEN.

I wonder how she will get her daughter in to take the state exam with her. When I took NCLEX they search you on the way in. You are required to put all belongings in a locker and I forget, but I'm pretty sure they fingerprinted me too. And for sure there was no talking or looking around the room. Certainly no room for a helicopter to hover during the test.

Specializes in Acute Hemodialysis, Cardiac, ICU, OR.

I think you went above and beyond by explaining the information to her more than once, and allowing her more than one opportunity to take the test -- would the same have held true if the potential student were a 25 year old WASP who grew up two blocks away and just did poorly on the test? We as a country are being far too permissive, I think... If I were to move to another country, I would EXPECT to learn that country's language and about it's culture, not ask for special treatment. Not sure if it's something I've heard or seen on TV or whatever, but my perception is that if I went to a random small town or city in Europe (not English speaking) and tried to rent an apartment, enroll in school, shop, get a job, and was unable to communicate, I'd probably be taken advantage of, laughed at, ridiculed... But it wouldn't take more than an hour of that before I was looking for ways to change the situation.

This lady has a daughter who understands and speaks English? So why isn't she teaching her mother? Or researching places she can go to learn? Aren't there a lot of free or low-cost programs out there?

As for the argument "she'll try harder because she doesn't understand" -- what a bunch of hooey. My guess is that "no speak English" will come up when mistakes are made, and the anger will be directed at the program who passed her without her understanding the material. That could be a real problem if something bad happens to a patient.

Specializes in ICU;CCU;Telemetry;L&D;Hospice;ER/Trauma;.

OMG! I have now learned I am the product of a helicopter parent...ie the mother of all hoverers! I learn something new here every day....wooohooo! a helicopter parent...what a great description! crni

Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.
Too involved? Sorry, but I will be 100,000 % involved in my childrens' lives. Just because someone is a teacher, does not mean that that person can be trusted totally. Teachers are human, fallible, and put their pants on one leg at a time, just like the rest of us.

So when your grown child goes for a nursing job, you will go to bat for him/her, when they fail med. math and file a formal complaint against the hospital for being unfair?

I think that by "hovering", they are referring to inappropriate oversight. As in:

I was at a nursing job fair. Supposedly for grown adults. There were number of mothers there with their young adult children, basically interviewing the representatives, butting in and trying to run the interactions.

I would have never considered butting in on my child's job interview.

Specializes in Maternal - Child Health.
Not defending the situation but there are communities that have their own pseudo health care system outside of the hospitals. Some people in the Asian community in Portland never go to the hospital (or be transported by EMS) they go to such caregivers. It could be she never plans on taking care of English speaking patients.

Just a thought.

It doesn't matter who her intended patient population will be. Should she pass the course, her certificate will grant her the privilege of practicing as a CNA without limiting her to a particular language-speaking group. She must be competent to fill that role regardless of the ethnicity of her clients. And such competence includes reading, writing, and communicating in the same language as other care-givers state-wide, not just in her "home" community.

I think that by "hovering", they are referring to inappropriate oversight. As in:

I was at a nursing job fair. Supposedly for grown adults. There were number of mothers there with their young adult children, basically interviewing the representatives, butting in and trying to run the interactions.

I would have never considered butting in on my child's job interview.

Once, a 20yo receptionist where I worked was fired for being repeatedly late, hungover, calling in a lot, general unprofessionalsim. Her mother came in, yelling at the owner, trying to convince him to re-hire her!! He just looked at her for a while, then said, "Sorry, I don't deal with MOTHERS...this was a grownup job and your grownup daughter blew it, so I don't even understand why you're here." With that he turned around and walked away.

:lol2::lol2::lol2:

Specializes in Nursing Home ,Dementia Care,Neurology..

Surely if the daughter was that upset about her mother she should have translated for her in the first place!:banghead: I work in a nursing home for dementia.We have a very distinctive local language here and some of the old folk just do not understand/respond to foreign accents.It's bad enough being confused without having to try and understand someone else's broken english.We have some excellent foreign nurses working with us but often they just can't "click" with the more confused residents.

Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.

What really peed me off about these people was the fact that they blamed me for their lack of responsibility. For example, I repeatedly asked the woman if she understood, asked if she had any questions, etc. Not only did she not ask me for help despite my offers, but she talked about me behind my back to her daughter. That two-faced, responsibility-dodging action did wonders for making me lose sympathy and empathy for their case. Yes, I know that some Asian cultures discourage asking questions, and nod yes even if they don't understand. However, I'm not psychic. If she has questions and wants to learn, she's going to have to ask. I'm all for helping, but not babying along.

The sad thing is that she will get a job. Hopefully, nobody will get seriously hurt or die. This happens all the time. One time, we got a whole group of Koreans who needed to be certified as CNAs, so their hospital sent them to us. They were already working despite the fact that they spoke little English and weren't certified as nurse aides or techs. I could understand if they were Mexican, as there are plenty of Spanish-speaking employers and patients here in Houston. However, Korean is pretty obscure in these parts. However, THEY STILL HAD JOBS INVOLVING DIRECT PATIENT CARE. I am scared to go into a healthcare facility.

As for the argument "she'll try harder because she doesn't understand" -- what a bunch of hooey. My guess is that "no speak English" will come up when mistakes are made, and the anger will be directed at the program who passed her without her understanding the material. That could be a real problem if something bad happens to a patient.

Amen, amen. As aforementioned, it's a lazy excuse. Giving her a license may be indirect murder.

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