Why is this PC bullcrap prioritized above people's lives?

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I work in a school that trains CNAs. We have an equal-opportunity policy. Whether you have a PhD or whether you didn't finish middle school, everyone takes a simple math and reading comprehension test. It's my job to give the test and explain it.

One day, a Chinese lady who spoke very little English and her helicopter daughter came in. I gave the lady the test and explained it slowly and carefully. I kept asking her if she understood, and at the end I told her that she could tell me if she had any problems. She nodded yes every time, and I made sure that she understood it. She didn't pass the test. IN fact, despite my explaining of the written instructions, she answered the questions in the wrong way. She took it again, and once again didn't pass. I had to break the news that she had not passed, and started to suggest buying a TOEFL guide or something to help her with her English.

The helicopter daughter told me that I was rude to her mother. She said that I should have helped her out with the test, and that a future nurse like me should be compassionate. I started to tell her that communication is key in the healthcare field, that a small delay could mean life or death, and that my compassion lies with the patients who will be cared for by the healthcare staff who we train. The daughter told me that I was racist, and that we should give her mother a chance because, "Well, she's going to try a lot harder because she doesn't speak as much English, so she's going to make a lot more effort." Why the hell does that remind me of schoolchildrens' parents whining, "Little Johnny is really a genius, you just have to go at his pace. He gets bored in class, and it's your responsibility to make it fun for him to learn." She was also mad that I didn't explain the test in Chinese (I speak a bit of Mandarin) even though the test and class are taught in English. I am all for helping, but it would be called cheating if I helped her out with the test problem by problem.

Her daughter went to another person and complained about me. Her mother took the test again, this time someone sat beside her and basically took the test for her! Not only was she allowed to enroll, but her daughter was allowed to enroll alongside her to translate. WHAT!? When she gets a job, is she going to have a translator alongside her to help her with her job? I hope that this woman does not pass the state boards, although she probably will because I know that she'll pull the, "I deserve special treatment," card.

Note: I AM NOT RACIST OR CULTURALLY INTOLERANT. If you are a qualified person who can effectively be a good member of the healthcare team, then I don't care if you're from Mars. However, if you don' have the qualification, can't communicate with others, and passed on being babied along rather than actual work, then forget it. Please don't accuse me of being racist. In fact, I've been in this woman's shoes. A few years ago, I studied abroad in China for a semester, and actually considered staying there. In order to enter the university, I had to pass the international student entrance exam. My Mandarin was nowhere nearly good enough so I did not pass. I could have whined that they should have helped me out, that the test was unfair, that I could do really well if given a chance, etc. However, I sucked it up and took personal responsibility because it was my own durn fault that I wasn't qualified. In the healthcare field, an unqualified person could mean life or death. Ever read The Godfather? While Micheal Corleone was in Italy, he was hosted by a doctor. The doc admitted that he didn't understand his medical textbooks, but the mob made sure that he became a doctor anyway. That's basically what this woman will be.

I later spoke to the school administrator about this and she said, "I don't like it either, but I'm trying to run a business. If rumors get spread that I'm culturally intolerant or un-PC, I'm going to lose a ton of potential students." I understand that. Half the office staff is foreign, and a lot of them were mad as well, because they came over here and had to work their butts off.

I have such a newfound appreciation for the fact that they weed out a good percentage of nursing students.

Specializes in geriatrics,med/surg,vents.

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Not defending the situation but there are communities that have their own pseudo health care system outside of the hospitals. Some people in the Asian community in Portland never go to the hospital (or be transported by EMS) they go to such caregivers. It could be she never plans on taking care of English speaking patients.

Just a thought.

It doesn't matter who her intended patient population will be. Should she pass the course, her certificate will grant her the privilege of practicing as a CNA without limiting her to a particular language-speaking group. She must be competent to fill that role regardless of the ethnicity of her clients. And such competence includes reading, writing, and communicating in the same language as other care-givers state-wide, not just in her "home" community.

If she can't understand enough English to pass the course it won't matter if she only works with people who speak her language,she still will not know what she is doing.Letting her slide through the course because it is PC is doing a disservice to anyone she will be caring for regardless of what language they speak or what country they come from.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

I totally agree, the world seems to have gone crazy. I don't understand it one bit. I sympathise with the OP 100%

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

What's this stuff about thanking people in posts? They seem to have made this site more complicated. Did they start some reputation system here?

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

Anyways, it seems like you have to walk on eggshells too much these days. I'm all for treating everyone with dignity, but pt safety should come first. Is a CNA allowed to not speak English?

Specializes in ICU, Med/Surg, Ortho.

I'm sorry if I sound unsympathetic, but I really think English should be made the national language. That way, the OP would have something to fall back on and not have to let unqualified people through pass or suffer a bad business reputation. She could simply be following the LAW.

I'm all for immigration. Heck most of my ancestors immigrated here. As I'm sure did most of everybody else's. But they weren't accommodated. They had to learn English. So should every body else.

Heck, even the ORIGINAL inhabitants of the US have learned English. Most don't even speak their native language anymore. If anyone has a RIGHT to be accommodated it is them.

OMG! I have now learned I am the product of a helicopter parent...ie the mother of all hoverers! I learn something new here every day....wooohooo! a helicopter parent...what a great description! crni

Ditto. I'll take that to my therapist.

I don't want to say I want to see her fail, but I hope she doesn't make it through this class! How is she going to communicate with patients? Lots of elderly people out there with hearing aides or NO hearing aides who couldn't hear a helicopter land in the bed next to them. This is very scary. Most places require that you be able to speak and write in English. Sounds like this woman couldn't so I don't expect that she'll go far.

Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.

It turns out that there was a misunderstanding. This woman's daughter has not been enrolled in the class alongside with her. However, it has happened in the school. About a year ago, a Vietnamese woman who spoke little English had her son enroll alongside her, and he translated everything for her from class to state test. One of the teachers was telling me about it, and I thought that it had been applied to the mother and daughter. This option was offered to them, though, which makes the situation almost as bad.

Sadly, there have been a lot of foreign students like her lately. Don't get me wrong, THE MAJORITY OF THEM are very nice and very determined. However, the rude ones have these tendencies:

1) Supremecy. "We (insert nationality here) work hard, unlike these lazy Americans." This was said during an orientation, in a room full of Americans, mind you. A few more of them have said similar things to the people in admissions while enrolling.

2) "I deserve special treatment!" See the case with this woman. This makes up a large majority of the bad apples. I feel really bad for the people who have degrees from their native countries but have to start from scratch over here, but I might have to start from scratch as well if I went to their country. Some expect us to have textbooks in their language.

Specializes in Hospice, Med/Surg, ICU, ER.
I was at a nursing job fair. Supposedly for grown adults. There were number of mothers there with their young adult children, basically interviewing the representatives, butting in and trying to run the interactions.

I would have never considered butting in on my child's job interview.

And I would never hire a person for a job when their Mommy or Daddy had to come with them to interview.

Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.

Update: I'm not happy to report this, but I am relieved. The woman did not pass the Nurse Aide state licensing exam. While transferring a patient, she did not heed the elderly resident's complaints of "Please be careful, my knee hurts, please slow down." She was also having a hard time understanding the instructions given by the nurse examiner. The examiner is a no-nonsense woman who is tough but fair. She doesn't flunk people too often, but she does when she deems the person incompetent.

Perhaps this woman will finally learn that she is responsible for making it in the country. Her daughter came back to whine to the school, and whined some more. This woman has two more opportunities to pass the state exam. I hope for the sake of her patients that she either bones up or is weeded out.

Whoops, sorry, I just saw how old this thread is. Never mind.

I have a helicopter wife! :lol2: :madface: :uhoh21:

Not defending the situation but there are communities that have their own pseudo health care system outside of the hospitals. Some people in the Asian community in Portland never go to the hospital (or be transported by EMS) they go to such caregivers. It could be she never plans on taking care of English speaking patients.

Just a thought.

Peace,

Marty

Then why is she going to that school?
helicopter=one who hovers. I have usually heard it applied to parents who are way too involved with their kid's school.

My Paramedic academy also trained police and firefighters, and the woman who ran our labs and was basically the go-to person for the department was complaining that she was constantly getting called by people's parents when they would do poorly on a test or be disciplined for some infraction (we had a semi-military code of conduct, mostly to teach attention to detail. Not "yes sir, no sir" or marching but more uniform standards, punctuality, etc.

I found it terrifying that the same people who would soon be pulling you out of a burning car or breaking down a drug dealer's door had to have their Mommy call because they got written up for not tucking in their shirt, which they knew they had to do in the first place

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