Why is it so easy to get an LPN or ADN so easily riled up?

[Katie5]

This is based on a particular thread I just read. You went to school for your degree,check; you do a good job as any as applies to any other profession, check; you paid good money for this degree, check.

So, why on GOD's good earth, do you let your feathers get so easily ruffled by some people's comments? I seek only to understand.

[agldragonRN]

what kind of comments?

lpn's are equal to rn's? because it's not true. lpn's are awesome but they do not have a college degree. end of story.

of course lpn is not equal to rn. but don't say lpns do not have a college degree. i know many lpns who hold a college degree including myself.

[NurseNinaFla]

I stand corrected (I think) although I continually hear from the RN's we are working under their license

IE; supervisors,DON's I do realise however that in a court of law I am soley responsible for my own actions

[caliotter3]

of course lpn is not equal to rn. but don't say lpns do not have a college degree. i know many lpns who hold a college degree including myself.

many lpns who attended community college programs have associates degrees derived from their nursing program.

[kcochrane]

They have different scopes of practice. It has nothing to do with anyone questioning the ability of a LPN over a RN. As a LPN, I knew my scope and was happy to work within it. It was nice having someone else to pass the buck to. But until I went to RN school I really didn't see how different the scope was.

Everyone is important in the health care field. And we need each other to get the job done. :)

Agldroagon, I think she probably meant under the direction of a RN.

[agldragonRN]

i stand corrected (i think) although i continually hear from the rn's we are working under their license

ie; supervisors,don's i do realise however that in a court of law i am soley responsible for my own actions

maybe you do work under their license. not me.

i work ltc and i work under my own license. yes i have an rn supervisor but if i make a mistake, that supervisor won't be responsible. it would be me and my license!

[agldragonRN]

agldroagon, i think she probably meant under the direction of a rn.

yes under the direction of an rn. but that rn also works under the direction of another rn, such as, the charge nurse, unit manager, don, etc...

[NurseNinaFla]

I guess the question now is the LPN working under the RN's License?

if the RN is the supervisor

[kcochrane]

yes under the direction of an rn. but that rn also works under the direction of another rn, such as, the charge nurse, unit manager, don, etc...

but they don't have to. at least in my state a lpn has to work under the direction of a rn (or other authorized health care provider. a rn can work without that direction. if you are working under a rn and something goes wrong, they can indeed go down with you. maybe your state is different.

1. the practice of the profession of nursing as a registered professional nurse is defined as diagnosing and treating human responses to actual or potential health problems through such services as casefinding, health teaching, health counseling, and provision of care supportive to or restorative of life and well-being, and executing medical regimens prescribed by a licensed physician, dentist or other licensed health care provider legally authorized under this title and in accordance with the commissioner's regulations. a nursing regimen shall be consistent with and shall not vary any existing medical regimen.
   
2. the practice of nursing as a licensed practical nurse is defined as performing tasks and responsibilities within the framework of casefinding, health teaching, health counseling, and provision of supportive and restorative care under the direction of a registered professional nurse or licensed physician, dentist or other licensed health care provider legally authorized under this title and in accordance with the commissioner's regulations.
   

[NurseNinaFla]

This is what I have always understood to be the case,I know my supervisors are always reminding us (LPN's) your'e working under MY license! Thanks Kcochrane!

[agldragonRN]

but they don't have to. at least in my state a lpn has to work under the direction of a rn (or other authorized health care provider. a rn can work without that direction. if you are working under a rn and something goes wrong, they can indeed go down with you. maybe your state is different.

yes i work under the direction of the rn. i said that. but not under their license.

god forbid, for example, an lpn gave way way too much insulin to the pt who went to shock and died. how is the rn supervisor responsible for the lpn actions? would the board take the supervisor's license away as well? even though he is only the "house" supervisor who oversees the whole ltc facility?

please give example(s) of how the rn can indeed go down with me?

[caliotter3]

yes i work under the direction of the rn. i said that. but not under their license.

god forbid, for example, an lpn gave way way too much insulin to the pt who went to shock and died. how is the rn supervisor responsible for the lpn actions? would the board take the supervisor's license away as well? even though he is only the "house" supervisor who oversees the whole ltc facility?

please give example(s) of how the rn can indeed go down with me?

in lawsuits, they typically go after all involved, to include the supervisors.

[lisamc1RN, LPN]

Any time a person makes generalizations about a group of people, someone may get offended. For instance, the title of your post could be viewed as offensive to LPN's and ADN's because you appear to be saying that it is universal that LPNs and ADNs are easily riled by trivial matters. IMHO, it is always better to be very specific unless you are prepared to offend, and in that case, I'm sure there will be some who will be happy to oblige you. :)