Why do Doctors think they are................God!!

[RNdiva505]

Why do some doctors take their degree to their noggins! ....Us nurses are the ones who spend hours with the patient and have a sense of what the patient might need or want...We build that relationship! Then, here comes the doctor spending 2 mins with the patient then giving orders and don't care for our input! This frustrates me...

Why are some doctors knuckle heads who don't know what the heck they are doing! For example, my admit from the ER, chronic renal failure, came up with generalized pitting edema +2 running fluids at 125/hr...Asked doc to decrease fluid rate....He stated NO! What the hay day!

Why are we not heard!!!!!!!!!! Why is our opinion not valid!

[iNurseUK, RN]

Do all you US folk work with fully qualified doctors? You don't get young inexperienced House Officers? They are a damn sight more terrified than you and rely on the nurses to get it right.

We are all playing for the same side. That will be the patients.

Having a go at the young doctors isn't helpful. They have to learn and us nurses can help them do that.

[hecallsmeDuchess]

The docs I work with are pretty much ok, most do not mind teaching or answering questions when they're asked. That's one thing I'll miss when I leave this place of employment. Hate to think a doc will think he/she's a god, that would be a major case of hubris, IMO...

[FCMike11, BSN]

People do realize the doctors spend 1-2 years studying science at a molecular level, 4 years in medical school, and another 3+ years in residency (making comparable pay to what we make. So yes they write the orders, compared to 2 years (ADN) and maybe a year of pre-reqs.

Someone mentioned they can't believe docs get paid so much but "nurses" do all the work......how naive could someone be? Huge responsibility to actually deciding the medications/diagnosis so on and so forth, when we just have the liberty of being critical of their orders.

Who doesn't have enough common sense to talk to a doctor and ease him towards what you want? I mean I have enough to know not to call him and ask him specifically for an order (although some dont mind)....like another poster said "(patient) is experiencing (X) could we get something for his (X)" or whatever the case.

Point im trying to make is everyone has their place but their certainly is a heirarchy and it's important in what we are learning.doing at work we don't overstep our boundaries because we are NOT licensed to prescribe meds etc.

An to all of those nurses who will write their own orders...have at it! I refuse I will call for anything I deem necessary.

It's funny I had a doc get really rude with me and I flat out told him "You are the last person I want to talk to at 3 AM, TRUST me", that straightened our relationship out.

[healthstar, BSN, RN]

People do realize the doctors spend 1-2 years studying science at a molecular level, 4 years in medical school, and another 3+ years in residency (making comparable pay to what we make. So yes they write the orders, compared to 2 years (ADN) and maybe a year of pre-reqs.

Someone mentioned they can't believe docs get paid so much but "nurses" do all the work......how naive could someone be? Huge responsibility to actually deciding the medications/diagnosis so on and so forth, when we just have the liberty of being critical of their orders.

Who doesn't have enough common sense to talk to a doctor and ease him towards what you want? I mean I have enough to know not to call him and ask him specifically for an order (although some dont mind)....like another poster said "(patient) is experiencing (X) could we get something for his (X)" or whatever the case.

Point im trying to make is everyone has their place but their certainly is a heirarchy and it's important in what we are learning.doing at work we don't overstep our boundaries because we are NOT licensed to prescribe meds etc.

An to all of those nurses who will write their own orders...have at it! I refuse I will call for anything I deem necessary.

It's funny I had a doc get really rude with me and I flat out told him "You are the last person I want to talk to at 3 AM, TRUST me", that straightened our relationship out.

Love your post! I agree with every thing you said. I finished premed with straight As and realized on my fourth year that I don't want too much responsibility, I don't want to diagnose, misdiagnose, give the bad news, medication decisions. I wanted to be a cardiac surgeon and I just said to myself when I finished premed, this is life and death matter, such a small room for error. So I wanted less responsibility and I am going to be a nurse this spring, and I get along with all the doctors where I work, we are like a family. By the way, when I become a nurse I am going to steal this statement you mentioned above " you are the last person. Want to talk at 3 am, trust me, ahahahahhahaha.

[FLmomof5]

Just to fan a flame or two....

MDs *do* go to school for a heck of a lot longer than we nurses did. OK....their knowledge and the responsibility they hold are why they get the "big bucks" (along with a mega-huge student loan debt!).

That aside....many well experienced RNs have seen the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and...ok you get the point. The school of hard knocks...as my mother would call it. Before their were universities, doctors were trained OJT. Nurses can and do learn OJT.

For the most part, I think doctors know to trust a nurse's intuition or his/her experience with this specialty. I think those that are horses patooties are few and far between.

Also....one other side note....intelligence is not necessarily equitable with book knowledge. I know many a nurse with an IQ over 150. I know 2 MDs that I outscored on the SAT (back in 1979). They went to med school. I went to engineering and later NS. Choices are choices. Are those docs more "intelligent" than I? I don't know, but what I *do* know is that they beat me hands down in Urology!

[turnforthenurse, MSN, NP]

I had a patient with a BP up to the 170's systolic after receiving several BP meds...patient was also in pain, but when the I called the doc earlier he didn't want to order anything else. Patient's BP was up probably because of their chronic arthritis. Anyway, I called this doc at 0300 regarding this BP and he questioned, "why are you monitoring my patient's BP at 3 in the morning? *I* would be ****** if you were monitoring my BP at this hour!" and basically told me to stop monitoring the BP's, thank you, goodbye. Umm, this is a CARDIAC patient? on a CARDIAC floor? And guess what, patients stroke out in the middle of the night...made me so mad! I sat with the patient and talked to them for awhile and tried other means to pain relief. Thankfully the pressures dropped to a more acceptable 140's systolic but I was still pretty ticked off over what the doc said to me!

I also hate it how doctors always walk away from me when I try to talk to them regarding a patient or to get orders. Not all of them are like that, but a lot of them are. I have to walk with them. I don't enjoy chasing them down the hall.

[All4NursingRN]

A co-worker of mine got yelled at for calling the on-call dr because of a high blood pressure. The Pt's blood pressure was 200's/100's; the Dr's response: why in god's name would anyone check a blood pressure in the middle of the night, now I'll have to do something about it.

absolutely ridiculous, we work on a busy general medicine floor, many of our patients are in bad shape. So: YES dr we will continue to check vitals in the middle of the night.

THis one has me LOLing, what does he mean why do we check vitals at night? Um hello! There's a reason why the patient is in the hospital to begin with, we don't go ''hotel'' after midnight and turn everyone in until morning, patients actually need 24 hour monitoring... duh! I would've ask him why he works at night! do your job doc and give the guy some BP meds.

[All4NursingRN]

And I never heard nurses say anything positive about doctors, i am sick of this nurse-doctor war. Anybody can become a doctor or a nurse, nothing is impossible when you study, but not everybody wants to become a nurse or a doc. Everybody's job is hard, requires work, not everybody has the same personality(thank god). Yes, some people get paid more than others. I hate it when people say, doctors make so much money while nurses do everything and they get paid much less. If money is the only thing that satisfies you, stop complaining and go to medical school and be a damn doctor and not a nurse. Complaining doesn't get you very far.

I agree 100% but you still missed the point.

[abbaking]

heard a funny joke

Doctor's think they are God, Surgeon's know they are!